In addition to being unaware of case law related to lookalikes/soundalikes (midler, waits), AI bros are showing themselves having ear deafness (like face blindness) claiming to hear no similarities to scarjo.
Scarlett Johansson Says OpenAI Ripped Off Her Voice for ChatGPT
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#32Earlier quoted context omitted.
>OpenAI said. “To protect their privacy, we cannot share the names of our voice talents.” Not sure the angle there though? If I was the voice actor I'd love for them to share my name, maybe lead to other gigs.
The angle of why they would want to protect the voice actor's privacy? My guess is that their fear is people becoming attached to the voice in a sort of parasocial relationship, then seeking out the original voice actor to try and turn that parasocial relationship into something more.
Don't tell Nina Rolle...
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#33I don't actually see an ethical issue with this situation, unless the voice was specifically trained using clips of Scarlett Johansson's actual voice. I should have some say over how my actual voice is used. If I am a public figure, ala Donald Trump, and there are a lot of people out there who do a great impression of me, those voices belong to the people actually creating them, not me. If it turns out that there are…
ethics and legality are completely different things, this case isn't black and white at all.
if you're just talking ethically though, i still find it shady. it would be like asking Gaudi to design a new building, then when he says no, finding Bob who can replicate Gaudi's style really well. there, it's legal, and you could say it's ethically fine because Bob should have freedom to profit from his skill. But it feels gross
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#34A snippet from that article. ---- Johansson’s statement, relayed to WIRED by her publicist, claims that OpenAI CEO Sam Altman asked her last September to provide ChatGPT’s new voice but that she declined. She describes being astounded to see the company demo a new voice for ChatGPT last week that sounded like her anyway. “When I heard the release demo I was shocked, angered, and in disbelief that Mr. Altman would pur…
They're going for a style, just because SJ declined, should not mean they cannot pursue something similar. The fact they went to SJ in the first place means they had good intentions of getting a well founded voice. Likely a voice professional can detect clear differences, as it's not convincing to be SJ from an outsider.
Isn't it the case that her own family was convinced?
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#35I don't actually see an ethical issue with this situation, unless the voice was specifically trained using clips of Scarlett Johansson's actual voice. I should have some say over how my actual voice is used. If I am a public figure, ala Donald Trump, and there are a lot of people out there who do a great impression of me, those voices belong to the people actually creating them, not me. If it turns out that there are…
The biggest problem is that they were making insinuations that it was intentionally similar to her role in the movie Her (and even contacted her directly to do it). There are laws for unauthorized use of likeness that could possibly apply here.
I'm not familiar with the specific laws that are relevant here, but I have trouble buying the argument that this constitutes a "likeness" when Johansson was in no way involved in its creation, other than by providing inspiration.
So they asked her and she turned them down. But guess what, they can get a pretty good result without even involving her. It turns out that her "talent" for the voice from the movie Her is in fact not so unique and valuable because it can be reasonably well replicated by other people, so why shouldn't a company be able to choose an alternative like that? A person should not have an exclusive claim to the rights of all voices that sound remotely like theirs.
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#36This is engagement farming, pure and simple, and has ensured that a very very broad audience is now aware that OpenAI has this kind of functionality. Even if there ends up being some kind of monetary settlement ... I bet this works out as a net plus for OAI. Which is a bit sad that the market rewards dishonorable behavior.
capitalism at its finest
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#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
"Sky" voice has been available since September though, OpenAI met with the "Sky" voice actress in June and July, months before contacting Scarlett Johansson.
https://www.npr.org/2024/05/20/1252495087/openai-pulls-ai-vo... > Johansson said that nine months ago Altman approached her proposing that she allow her voice to be licensed for the new ChatGPT voice assistant. He thought it would be "comforting to people" who are uneasy with AI technology. > Just two days before the new ChatGPT was unveiled, Altman again reached out to Johansson's team, urging the actress to reconsi…
What are you suggesting? That OpenAI chose the voice of "Sky" a year ago because she resembled Scarlett Johansson, and then decided to actually contact Scarlett Johansson?
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#38I don't actually see an ethical issue with this situation, unless the voice was specifically trained using clips of Scarlett Johansson's actual voice. I should have some say over how my actual voice is used. If I am a public figure, ala Donald Trump, and there are a lot of people out there who do a great impression of me, those voices belong to the people actually creating them, not me. If it turns out that there are…
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The appellate court ruled that the voice of someone famous as a singer is distinctive to their person and image and therefore, as a part of their identity, it is unlawful to imitate their voice without express consent and approval."
Re: Scarlett Johansson Says OpenAI Ripped Off Her Voice for ChatGPT
#39I don't actually see an ethical issue with this situation, unless the voice was specifically trained using clips of Scarlett Johansson's actual voice. I should have some say over how my actual voice is used. If I am a public figure, ala Donald Trump, and there are a lot of people out there who do a great impression of me, those voices belong to the people actually creating them, not me. If it turns out that there are…
The biggest problem is that they were making insinuations that it was intentionally similar to her role in the movie Her (and even contacted her directly to do it). There are laws for unauthorized use of likeness that could possibly apply here.
To her role.
Not to her.
Quite a difference.
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#40Earlier quoted context omitted.
https://www.npr.org/2024/05/20/1252495087/openai-pulls-ai-vo... > Johansson said that nine months ago Altman approached her proposing that she allow her voice to be licensed for the new ChatGPT voice assistant. He thought it would be "comforting to people" who are uneasy with AI technology. > Just two days before the new ChatGPT was unveiled, Altman again reached out to Johansson's team, urging the actress to reconsi…
What are you suggesting? That OpenAI chose the voice of "Sky" a year ago because she resembled Scarlett Johansson, and then decided to actually contact Scarlett Johansson?
I'm saying contacting the actress for permission and coyly tweeting "her" after referencing it as your favorite movie makes blanket denials a bit hard to swallow.