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Sam Altman is showing us who he really is

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Post by jprd »

hluska wrote: post #190
Lerc wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A potential answer to that is liability protection even when you feel like you are legally in the clear. It is still worth paying a sum to avoid a lawsuit you think you will win. An example of this is Weird Al pays for the rights to things that are probably ok under fair use parody protection. Paying for the rights removes the possibily of a challenge.

Does Weird Al pay rights? I know he asks for permission to maintain his relationships with artists and to make sure he gets his share of songwriting credits (and the fees). But does he pay for rights? I’ve never seen that before and I’d love to read more.

IANAL - but I think there is some sort of carve-out for parody? @sama and OpenAI are clearly not parodying "Her" - especially with that paper trail.

This is a great question and I hope someone here with requisite knowledge can help.

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Post by btilly »

SrslyJosh wrote: post #205
btilly wrote: post #182

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Let's take a parallel situation from around 20 years ago, and see how you feel about it. I'm going back that far as a reminder of what was long considered OK, before AI. In the movie The Seed of Chucky , Britney Spears gets killed. You can watch the clip at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3kCg5o0cHA . It is very clearly Britney Spears. Except Britney Spears was not hired for the role. They hired a Britney Spears imp…

I don't think this is an apples-to-apples comparison. The movie producers didn't produce a simulation of Britney's voice and attempt to sell access to it. However you feel about an probably-unapproved celebrity cameo in a movie, it's not the same thing as selling the ability to impersonate that celebrity's voice to anyone willing to pay, in perpetuity.

If you go to Vegas, you can go to a wedding officiated by someone who looks like, sounds like, and acts like Elvis Presly. This is available to anyone. You can get the same actor to do the same simulation for another purpose if you're willing to pay for it.

The biggest difference that I see is that technology has made the simulation cheaper and easier.

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Post by infecto »

lacker wrote: post #139
infecto wrote: post #111

Not sure why so many people get so emotional and project so much. Let the courts decide. I do think they should not have pulled it so quickly, why go through all this effort with this expected outcome. Not a good look.

I think pulling the voice right away is the right strategy. Even if they fight and lose a court case, losing the rights to the Sky voice, will there really be a lot of damages just for including it in a demo video? Probably not. And what's the upside of fighting? Do you really want a voice that sounds like Scarlett Johansson and reminds people of this whole thing? OpenAI should just compromise, take down the voice, m…

I agree with you.

I think what confuses me is if you have made a business decision like this did nobody think about the downside case? Clearly not because they backed out so quickly.

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Post by feedforward »

davidw wrote: post #208
hot_gril wrote: post #195

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Looks like "really YIYBY, NIMBY" was an attempt to narrow it down

They are saying that YIMBYs "really want to build in your backyard, not their own" which is nonsense.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/08/marc-andre...

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Post by danielmarkbruce »

Eji1700 wrote: post #11
bbqfog wrote: post #3

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Even watching the behavior of the company before that pointed towards marketing first, results second.

The results are outstanding. No matter what their marketing is, they have produced something incredible.

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Post by dclowd9901 »

hu3 wrote: post #133
malfist wrote: post #75

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Oh you will be forgotten. All your knowledge will come from some trademarked AI bot and you won't even get a linkback

> Oh you will be forgotten. Not your parent comenter but please allow me to enlighten you. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Bright https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D_(programming_language) When in doubt, always double-check who you're replying to in HN. We are lucky to have many great minds around.

The point is still salient. People who don’t have Wikipedia links will be forgotten. Though I guess maybe that’s always been true.

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Post by sillysaurusx »

danielmarkbruce wrote: post #220
campbel wrote: post #186

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IANAL, but I think the mistake they made was constantly referencing the movie 'Her' when talking about Sky.

100%. This whole thing is more stupidity than anything else. There is nothing wrong with using a voice that sounds like her. There is everything wrong with referencing the movie and sort of implying it is the voice from the movie. They could have easily let others make the connection. So dumb.

Why is it wrong to explicitly mimic a part played in a movie? Are we saying that the actor owns their portrayal of the role?

OpenAI should’ve owned their actions. "Yes, we wanted to get a voice that sounded like the one from Her." There’s nothing wrong with that.

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Post by WalterBright »

lenerdenator wrote: post #45
behnamoh wrote: post #7

I don't like @sama just as much as the next person, but come on, in what world is ScarJo's voice unique? There are many people who sound like her. Does she imply that she "owns" this voice so no one else can use it? Excuse me, that's not how it works. Edit: IMO OpenAI should just make their voice engine open source. Then we'll see if ScarJo or anyone else can stop the open-source community. I expected more from her.

It's all fun and games until someone gets a hold of your voice and uses it to scam a few grand out of your elderly family members. Disregarding ideas about ownership of celebrity image, it's not good to have that sort of technology out in the wild, The fact that he pulled it down has me believing that he knew there was a real chance the company would get in trouble if he hadn't.

Ya never know how a court case will come out. He was being sensible in limiting possible damage awards.

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Post by hot_gril »

davidw wrote: post #208
hot_gril wrote: post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Looks like "really YIYBY, NIMBY" was an attempt to narrow it down

They are saying that YIMBYs "really want to build in your backyard, not their own" which is nonsense.

Some of them do, or they're only YIMBY until they own something

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Post by wvenable »

zemo wrote: post #168
wvenable wrote: post #146

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I don't think any of this translates to anything bad. He loves the movie. OpenAI invented similar technology. They wanted to use Scarlett's voice to market it. She said no. They used a different voice. People really want their to be a crime here with no evidence. You all have ears, you can listen to both clips back to back and discover, unsurprisingly, that they are actually different voices. Not even an imitation.

what do you think Her is about?

What is relevance of that to this discussion on whether OpenAI stole Scarlett Johansson's voice?
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