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This Is the Gyro-Stabilized, Two-Wheeled Future of Transportation

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Re: This Is the Gyro-Stabilized, Two-Wheeled Future of Transportation

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This is a non-starter. This fills the same niche as an electric moped at 6% or less of the cost. And people can drive electric mopeds on city streets legally today . For less than half the price someone could buy a used, low-mileage sedan (such as a Civic, Corolla, or Accent), with a trunk, seating for 5, seatbelts and airbags. And then use the other $8k to pay for gas at $5 a gallon for the next 48,000 miles. Or, th…

There are a few things going for it: - handling is supposed to be better than anything - performance of a bike + safety of a car - higher mileage than electric cars + faster charge You are comparing the launch price of a completely new vehicle to market prices of commodity ones. This could be cheaper than a car in the future, and maybe even safer since it won't roll/tip as easily in an accident.

It won't have better handling or performance than a bike. Just look at it: it's twice the weight of a large sports bike, has a longer wheelbase, it's still hamstrung by having only two wheels, it can't lean over as far as a bike.

It may be possible to engineer some improved safety over a bike, but it will never have the safety of even a compact car. You can't beat physics.

Re: This Is the Gyro-Stabilized, Two-Wheeled Future of Transportation

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Actually, the idea of having a vehicle with a windscreen/windshield in a damp climate without some means of keeping it free of condensation is pretty scary - so that legislation kind of make sense (at least for Northern Europe).

oh... don't get me wrong. I understand the usefulness of having a good heater when it is raining. Likewise I understand the horror of having an inefficient heater when it is raining. It was just interesting that there is legislation mandating it. I'll assume that the US has this as well then.

Initially I thought it sounded like a particularly daft bit of legislation - then I thought about it for a bit..... :-)

Re: This Is the Gyro-Stabilized, Two-Wheeled Future of Transportation

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Yes, I remember the Segway. I've owned a pair for five years and have 13,000 miles between them. It didn't take over the world, but it fits my use case perfectly .

Why don't you use a bike? I've done that sort of distance on my pushbike. It cost $AU 750 and it kept me fit.

No shower at the office, otherwise I'd have given up the Volvo for my Raleigh a long time ago. I agree with you about the fitness aspect of bicycle riding, and used to do distance stuff (no racing) until I wore the cartilage down in my left knee. Nowadays I treat that knee with respect.

Bicycle goodness notwithstanding, the Segway is a hoot to ride, and five years in I haven't tired of it.

Re: This Is the Gyro-Stabilized, Two-Wheeled Future of Transportation

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The article says it has 2 gyros. In the test run one wasn't working so they had to test it on just one, and it seemed to work.

I thought it needed both to stay upright, like one on each side that would cancel each other out, my mistake.

It'll be very bad at going around corners with one gone though (which is why the journalist wasn't allowed to).

Re: This Is the Gyro-Stabilized, Two-Wheeled Future of Transportation

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This is a non-starter. This fills the same niche as an electric moped at 6% or less of the cost. And people can drive electric mopeds on city streets legally today . For less than half the price someone could buy a used, low-mileage sedan (such as a Civic, Corolla, or Accent), with a trunk, seating for 5, seatbelts and airbags. And then use the other $8k to pay for gas at $5 a gallon for the next 48,000 miles. Or, th…

These very much remind of a two-wheeled Can-Am[1], which are "trikes" in the vein of a motorcycle. They're also much larger and would never be able to lane-split (legal or not). [1] http://www.can-am.brp.com/

Actually, they remind me of BMW Isettas[1].

[1] http://microcarmuseum.com/tour/isetta-3wheel-special.html

Re: This Is the Gyro-Stabilized, Two-Wheeled Future of Transportation

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The gyroscope keeps the vehicle from falling over when stopped. Even without regenerative braking, thats pretty necessary complexity when you can't stick your foot out to add a third point of contact.

A lever attached to a hinged stand is all the necessary complexity required to stop it falling over when stopped.

Are you talking about an automatic kickstand? What if you stop next to a pothole?

Re: This Is the Gyro-Stabilized, Two-Wheeled Future of Transportation

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well... "no reason not to" is not quite the same as "perfectly justified" but I kind of see your point. By that same logic though, there really isn't any reason not to let other vehicles lane split if it can be done safely.

There are substantial benefits in terms of reducing congestion - e.g. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/motorbikes/9272532/Why-c...

Exactly. So if we all did it then we get even more benefit.

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I'm just as skeptical as you, but... Electric mopeds cannot go on freeways. An electric motorcycle is better for nontrivial distances. On the other hand, an electric moped which cannot travel faster than 20mph also has an advantage: in California it is treated as a bicycle and can travel on bike paths on major bridges. My main complaint: if neither electric motorcycles nor self-balancing motorcycles are currently pop…

Personally, I've always wanted a vehicle with the speed and fuel efficiency approaching a motorcycle and a 5-star crash safety rating. Motorcycles are a death trap, and I refuse to ride one despite their many advantages.

This vehicle is likely more difficult to see in a rear- or side-view mirror than a motorcycle given it's so low to the ground.

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No...it's not. This thing is just as dangerous as a motorcycle. The danger is from not having the steel cage protecting you, not from tipping over in a parking lot. Motorcycles aren't even difficult to balance...at all. They're easier than bicycles in that respect because they self-stabilize from the speed that operate at. You only need balance when puttering about in the parking lot, and even then, scarcely. I have…

Sorry, but aren't you contradicting yourself? If the danger of a motorcycle lies in the lack of a cage, why is this useless?

It's useless because it's inferior to a motorcycle in every respect including safety.
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