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Re: Taking Risk

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Everyone here blaming the costs of living in London being a major driver for people looking for security: SF is not cheap either!

I don’t think you can boil it down to that only.

What can be others fundamental reasons? also for Europe in general?

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Our instinct is to regulate and tax the technologies that are being pioneered in California, in the misguided belief that it will give us some kind of competitive advantage. I don’t think that that’s the reason for regulation: it seems to me that US companies traditionally don’t care about externalities (environment, privacy, accessibility, etc.), and regulation is required to bring them into line. That doesn’t alway…

The US can also throw a firehose of money at stuff just by virtue of being big and more of a monolith than Europe, in general.

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#53

It would be more interesting to not consider just US and UK, but the whole world. Lots of new startups might come from Asia. Eastern European startup scene is interesting, also.

May I ask which countries in east Europe would you consider to be good and convenient, esp for foreigners (non-EU)? When I visited Budapest I like it there, but don’t know much about the tech scene.

Estonia and Bulgaria both have good English speaking levels, decent visa schemes, low and flat taxes, very good in the case of Estonia and maybe getting there in the case of Bulgaria government digital services, and lots of people in tech (so hiring shouldn't be a problem if you can provide good salaries).

Also, Romania, Poland have good reputation in this space but I don't have any direct experience with them.

Re: Taking Risk

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post #22

I considered a startup after university in the UK. The talent arbitrage is absurd, physics grads with 1sts from top Russell Group unis fighting to be paid £30k/yr. For me it came down to security, life is expensive, rent is expensive. I didn't have a spare parental garage to setup five computers - I barely had room in my flat for one desk . I barely had money for that flat let alone internet, and food. I had zero cap…

The low salaries are a double edged sword - the talent is cheap, but the kind of people who might start a company are unable to build up enough savings to take the leap. It's partly due to low salaries, and partly high housing costs.

It's crazy that politicians on all sides talk about growth, but then consistently do almost nothing to address the single largest thing that's sucking the life out of 20-30 year olds.

Saying that, it's clearly not the only cause as housing in SF and NY is also really expensive.

Re: Taking Risk

#55
The cultural commentary does seem right to me. People in the UK are probably more risk-averse and anti-ambition. There’s also some stuff about the culture of investors, like the thing about US startups making wild claims. This only really works because the investors in the US understand that the claims are nonsense, and VCs don’t sue the companies for fraud (because the companies are typically dead and it’s an iterated game).

Nevertheless I do wonder about the effect of people being able to move to Silicon Valley:

- moving there can be a good move for ambitious young people – it’s surely easier to raise capital, find employees/cofounders, etc

- for most internet businesses, starting in the US rather than the UK can be an advantage – doing business internationally can be harder and the US is 5x the size and wealthier on average.

- given this, there’s a reasonable selection bias in the pool of companies in the UK seeking investment: they are started by people who were ambitious enough to start SV-style startups but weird enough to not be doing it in the US. If those potentially-UK startups in the tail of outcomes are disproportionately being started in the US instead, that’s really going to suck for a VC.

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Bankruptcy laws and social mores massively different. In the UK to go bankrupt is to be painted with indelible red shame dye. In America... going bankrupt means you are closing out the book on one failure to try another.

> In the UK to go bankrupt is to be painted with indelible red shame dye Is it? Do people generally know when someone (personally, or in this case, since we're talking startups, their company) goes bankrupt?

People don't know but bankrupcy bans you from openning another company for about 10 years I believe.

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post #41

Something that was not really approached in this article is the underlying assumption that "entrepreneurship is good" and the difference of culture towards that. Start-ups can be seen as the things that bring society forward, or the things that create useless junk and enshitification from bullshit-talkers who just want to make money. It's not 100% the first in US and 100% the second in Europe, but the balance is just…

> I think that one aspect is just that US is more ok with bullshitters and con artists: they consider it's part of the game.

Startups aren't any more fundamentally scammy than any other business trying to get your money.

Oh sure, some are scammy, but that's true for big established businesses as well.

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post #44
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Bankruptcy laws and social mores massively different. In the UK to go bankrupt is to be painted with indelible red shame dye. In America... going bankrupt means you are closing out the book on one failure to try another.

> In the UK to go bankrupt is to be painted with indelible red shame dye Is it? Do people generally know when someone (personally, or in this case, since we're talking startups, their company) goes bankrupt?

It comes with an inability to do lots of things for 6 (I think?) years, including things like not having an overdraft and more importantly to this conversation, prevents being a director of a company.

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The expected returns from "want[ing] to go and work at companies like McKinsey, Goldman Sachs or Google" are both greater and more certain, so perhaps the individual young people are acting quite rationally in the UK? For context I spent years in my 20s doing start ups in London, and undoubtedly would have been better off financially now if I'd worked for some soul-sucking consultancy instead. I do agree with him tha…

The expected return of working for Big 4 in your 20’s is a coke habit
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