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Statement from Scarlett Johansson on the OpenAI "Sky" voice

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Re: Statement from Scarlett Johansson on the OpenAI "Sky" voice

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You seem to be misunderstanding the legalities at work here: reaching out to her multiple times beforehand, along with tweets intended to underline the similarity to her work on Her, demonstrates intention. If they didn’t think they needed permission, why ask for permission multiple times and then yank it when she noticed? Answer: because they knew they needed permission, after working so hard to associate with Her,…

You could also ask: If Scarlett has a legal case already, why does she want legislation passed?

Because a legal case under the current justice system and legislative framework would probably take hundreds of thousands to millions of dollars to bring a case that requires discovery and a trial to accomplish.

Maybe (maybe!) it’s worth it for someone like Johansson to take on the cost of that to vindicate her rights—but it’s certainly not the case for most people.

If your rights can only be defended from massive corporations by bringing lawsuits that cost hundreds of thousands to millions of dollars, then only the wealthy will have those rights.

So maybe she wants new legislative frameworks around these kind of issues to allow people to realistically enforce these rights that nominally exist.

For an example of updating a legislative framework to allow more easily vindicating existing rights, look up “anti-SLAPP legislation”, which many states have passed to make it easier for a defendant of a meritless lawsuit seeking to chill speech to have the lawsuit dismissed. Anti-SLAPP legislation does almost nothing to change the actual rights that a defendant has to speak, but it makes it much more practical for a defendant to actually excercise those rights.

So, the assumption that a call for updated legislation implies that no legal protection currently exists is just a bad assumption that does not apply in this situation.

Re: Statement from Scarlett Johansson on the OpenAI "Sky" voice

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Just read the top post of the thread you're responding to- > - Not receiving a response, OpenAI demos the product anyway, with Sam tweeting “her” in reference to Scarlett’s film.

To me reference sounds more to towards omni than her voice

What’s “omni”?

Re: Statement from Scarlett Johansson on the OpenAI "Sky" voice

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Why do you have an issue with them taking someone's likeness to use in their product but not with them taking someone's work to use in their product?

Because this isn't training an audio model along with a million other voices to understand English, etc. It's clearly meant to sound exactly like that one celebrity. I suspect a video avatar service that looked exactly like her would fall afoul of fair use as well. Though an image gen that used some images of her (and many others) to train and spit out generic "attractive blonde woman" is fair use in my opinion.

Okay so as long as we steal enough stuff then it's legal.

Re: Statement from Scarlett Johansson on the OpenAI "Sky" voice

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Yes, totally ethically bankrupt. But what bewilders me is that they yanked it as soon as they heard from their lawyers. I would have thought that if they made the decision to go ahead despite getting two "no"s, that they at least had a legal position they thought was defensible and worth defending. But it kind of looks like they released it knowing they couldn't defend it in court which must seem pretty bonkers to in…

> I would have thought that if they made the decision to go ahead despite getting two "no"s, that they at least had a legal position they thought was defensible and worth defending. They likely have a legal position which is defensible. They're much more worried that they don't have a PR position which is defensible. What's the point of winning the (legal) battle if you lose the war (of public opinion)? Given the res…

> They likely have a legal position which is defensible.

Doesn't sound like they have that either.

Re: Statement from Scarlett Johansson on the OpenAI "Sky" voice

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Paper money from the model they're giving away for free?

I mean if you don't think these kinds of positive announcements don't increase the value of the company or parent company then I don't really know how to convince you as it's a standard business principle.

I believe there's a difference between building a sustainable and profitable business and pumping the stock.

Re: Statement from Scarlett Johansson on the OpenAI "Sky" voice

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They stole someone’s voice after being told not to? They unleashed a massive new wave of spam and scams and garbage onto the Internet? Because they’re stealing every single bit of content on the Internet and everywhere else they can get their hands on without paying anything for it and then expect to sell it back to us in chewed up garbage form? They help single-handedly cause MS to blast past their carbon commitment…

Amen. We need ethics and accountability and this wave of “AI” has been sorely lacking those, instead preferring the Uber model of “let’s just get big enough to bully things into working out in our favor.”

It’s important to nip that shit in the bud lest it spread.

Re: Statement from Scarlett Johansson on the OpenAI "Sky" voice

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This statement from scarlet really changed my perspective. I use and loved the Sky voice and I did feel it sounded a little like her, but moreover it was the best of their voice offerings. I was mad when they removed it. But now I’m mad it was ever there to begin with. This timeline makes it clear that this wasn’t a coincidence and maybe not even a hiring of an impressionist (which is where things get a little more w…

The thing about the situation is that Altman is willing to lie and steal a celebrity's voice for use in ChatGPT. What he did, the timeline, everything - is sleazy if, in fact, that's the story. The really concerning part here is that Altman is, and wants to be, a large part of AI regulation [0]. Quite the public contradiction. [0] https://www.businessinsider.com/sam-altman-openai-artificial...

Some people might see some parallel with SBF and see how Altman would try to regulate competition without impeding OpenAI progress

Re: Statement from Scarlett Johansson on the OpenAI "Sky" voice

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Very obvious bias against OpenAI in the comments here. Possible motives: a) there's a visceral human reaction against anyone extraordinarily successful and powerful (Nietzsche wrote about this). b) resentment for OpenAI's advancements in code generation and its possible impact on the job market. I don't think much of the outrage here is motivated by altruism, it's probably more about siding with whoever opposes your…

Or maybe the prospect of theft and unpermissioned copying of an extremely personal quality (one's voice) is (correctly) being called out? People aren't as selfish/petty as you're making them out.

Most people aren’t that selfish or petty. But there are some people who are—and by an unfortunate quirk of human nature, they tend to believe everyone else is just like them.

Re: Statement from Scarlett Johansson on the OpenAI "Sky" voice

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Effective altruism would posit that it is worth one voice theft to help speed the rate of life saving ai technology in the hands of everyone.

Effective Altruists are just shitty utilitarians that never take into account all the myriad ways that unmoderated utilitarianism has horrific failure modes. Their hubris will walk them right into federal prison for fraud if they’re not careful. If Effective Altruists want to speed the adoption of AI with the general public, they’d do well to avoid talking about it, lest the general public make a connection between E…

This is like attributing the crimes of a few fundamentalists to an entire religion.

Re: Statement from Scarlett Johansson on the OpenAI "Sky" voice

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Absolutely. Good for Scarlett, and my gosh Sam and that org need to learn a few lessons. What were they thinking?? So gross.

Will be funny if Sam was the bad guy all along

Uh, we all should know exactly who and what Sam Altman is by now.

He’s absolutely been the bad guy all along.

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