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Apple's photo bug exposes the myth of 'deleted'

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Re: Apple's photo bug exposes the myth of 'deleted'

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Post by ezfe »

internetter wrote: post #5

So, it seems like this is legit now? Last I checked it was in the "probably legit but unconfirmed" realm. Apple needs to explain exactly what happened and how they plan to prevent it exactly now . They should be fined for storing photos after someone permanently deletes them. They should be forced to allow transparent access to the file system like on Android. This should be all over national TV. This is bad . Really…

It's not "really bad" because they didn't store deleted photos, in general. A bug caused some not to be deleted properly.

Re: Apple's photo bug exposes the myth of 'deleted'

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Post by ezfe »

refulgentis wrote: post #17
mingus88 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you explain your reasoning? If the deleted file was not shared with anyone else, how is this a “massive invasion of privacy” What law is being broken? This is a bad bug for sure but there have been far worse bugs that have actually leaked PII and endangered peoples lives. What am I missing?

There are reports they reappeared on sold phones as well

There was one report and it's been deleted

Re: Apple's photo bug exposes the myth of 'deleted'

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Post by threeseed »

refulgentis wrote: post #17
mingus88 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you explain your reasoning? If the deleted file was not shared with anyone else, how is this a “massive invasion of privacy” What law is being broken? This is a bad bug for sure but there have been far worse bugs that have actually leaked PII and endangered peoples lives. What am I missing?

There are reports they reappeared on sold phones as well

So they sold a phone with their iCloud account connected.

Which means all of their current emails, photos, contacts, bookmarks, browsing history, location etc was also available.

Re: Apple's photo bug exposes the myth of 'deleted'

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Post by kube-system »

internetter wrote: post #11
ado__dev wrote: post #4

I wouldn't assume anything "deleted" is ever truly deleted. Just a deleted_at property set and maybe the data eventually purged after many years.

When I click "Permanently delete" in the Apple photos app, doing anything other than permanently deleting it is nothing short of a lie

The default delete behavior is not that, and it is explicitly documented as such.

> When you delete photos and videos, they go to your Recently Deleted album for 30 days. After 30 days, they'll be permanently deleted.

https://support.apple.com/en-us/104967

Re: Apple's photo bug exposes the myth of 'deleted'

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Post by HaZeust »

ezfe wrote: post #21
internetter wrote: post #5

So, it seems like this is legit now? Last I checked it was in the "probably legit but unconfirmed" realm. Apple needs to explain exactly what happened and how they plan to prevent it exactly now . They should be fined for storing photos after someone permanently deletes them. They should be forced to allow transparent access to the file system like on Android. This should be all over national TV. This is bad . Really…

It's not "really bad" because they didn't store deleted photos, in general. A bug caused some not to be deleted properly.

That is still really bad, what?

Re: Apple's photo bug exposes the myth of 'deleted'

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Post by kube-system »

internetter wrote: post #5

So, it seems like this is legit now? Last I checked it was in the "probably legit but unconfirmed" realm. Apple needs to explain exactly what happened and how they plan to prevent it exactly now . They should be fined for storing photos after someone permanently deletes them. They should be forced to allow transparent access to the file system like on Android. This should be all over national TV. This is bad . Really…

An android phone running ext3/4 likely doesn't delete the file when you press delete either.

Re: Apple's photo bug exposes the myth of 'deleted'

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Post by [deleted] »

blackeyeblitzar wrote: post #6
internetter wrote: post #5

So, it seems like this is legit now? Last I checked it was in the "probably legit but unconfirmed" realm. Apple needs to explain exactly what happened and how they plan to prevent it exactly now . They should be fined for storing photos after someone permanently deletes them. They should be forced to allow transparent access to the file system like on Android. This should be all over national TV. This is bad . Really…

It is definitely legit because Apple issued a fix ( https://www.theverge.com/2024/5/20/24160983/apple-iphone-ipa... ). So they’ve acknowledged the behavior but not explained why it happened or confirmed that deleted now really means deleted.

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Re: Apple's photo bug exposes the myth of 'deleted'

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Post by blackeyeblitzar »

Aloisius wrote: post #15
blackeyeblitzar wrote: post #2

Wow this is a huge breach of trust for a company that claims it has strong privacy protections. Also from a different article ( https://www.theverge.com/2024/5/20/24161152/apple-ios-17-pho... ): > Another post claimed that old photos appeared on an iPad that was sold to another person. It is SO weird for Apple to fix the bug in a patch but say nothing about the fact that photos deleted years earlier reappeared for a…

Em. The patch notes say that: > This update provides important bug fixes and addresses a rare issue where photos that experienced database corruption could reappear in the Photos library even if they were deleted.

Right but where were they resurrected from? A database (local or otherwise) that secretly keeps deleted photos forever? And if so why is it keeping them forever instead of actually deleting them?

Re: Apple's photo bug exposes the myth of 'deleted'

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Post by 123yawaworht456 »

blackeyeblitzar wrote: post #13
brushfoot wrote: post #12

Discussion on Reddit before it was removed by r/ios mods: https://www.reddit.com/r/ios/comments/1cryayx/latest_ios_upd...

Why did the mods remove it? I hate that they have such insane censorship powers on Reddit, especially when many of the top subreddits are controlled by a small group of them.

because even devoted sycophants can't rationalize it away with the usual mental gymnastics.
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