The title and story are rather misleading, he's been charged with “exposing a child to harmful material” and “sexual contact with a child under age 13" rather than for generating the images per-se.
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FBI Arrests Man for Generating AI Child Sexual Abuse Imagery
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#12I guess there are two cases, a Wisconsin state case (March, out on bail, still pending) and this federal case. Apparently it is not double jeopardy to re-arrest for the same thing (or different statutes, in this case) if one is state and one federal.
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#13How is pedophilia considered psychologically? Is it a treatable condition, an untreatable permanent condition, or simply a criminal choice?
Pedophilia is a paraphilia. Most psychologists believe paraphilias are permanent. Therapy and medication can help people control their urges if needed. Child sex abuse is a criminal choice.
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#14Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sure, but what would the charge be? (I'm in the UK, here such is definitely illegal.)
producing, distributing, and possessing obscene visual depictions of minors engaged in sexually explicit conduct[1][2] [1] https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/man-arrested-producing-distri... [2] https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1466A
Not a lawyer, but [2] indicate circumstance in section (d), that involves distribution; production without distribution would not satisfy that (?)
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#15The title and story are rather misleading, he's been charged with “exposing a child to harmful material” and “sexual contact with a child under age 13" rather than for generating the images per-se.
It's confusing because that was also my interpretation until I saw the quote from the DoJ prosecutor in the article: >“Today’s announcement sends a clear message: using AI to produce sexually explicit depictions of children is illegal, and the Justice Department will not hesitate to hold accountable those who possess, produce, or distribute AI-generated child sexual abuse material"
I completely understand forbidding the distribution to minors, but how can they hold accountable someone for producing CSAM and keeping all data in their hard drive?
This sets a dangerous precedent; how is it different from simulating a murder, or simply speeding in a videogame?
That "or distribute" should really be "and distribute"; the whole point should be to protect kids, not to punish people that are indeed fucked up but found a way to not harm the society.
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#16How is pedophilia considered psychologically? Is it a treatable condition, an untreatable permanent condition, or simply a criminal choice?
As of now there is no proof that it can be cured. Most treatments and therapies are to help pedophiles control their urges and not act.
At the end of the day, it's a paraphilia. I don't think you can cure someone who's aroused by feet or uniforms. I don't believe there is any evidence today that you can alter people's sexual interests.
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#17The title and story are rather misleading, he's been charged with “exposing a child to harmful material” and “sexual contact with a child under age 13" rather than for generating the images per-se.
That’s what the state police charged him with in March. The article doesn’t include the specific federal charges for some reason, but the FBI statement suggest they believe the generation itself is also illegal. > “Today’s announcement sends a clear message: using AI to produce sexually explicit depictions of children is illegal, and the Justice Department will not hesitate to hold accountable those who possess, prod…
It’s called Thought Crime.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thoughtcrime
There is 90s US precedence and then laws were changed to make “obscene” content illegal
https://academic.oup.com/jcmc/article/2/2/JCMC227/4584343
https://www.theverge.com/2014/8/19/6044679/the-six-lawsuits-...
Here is one 1997 case when snuff porn on alt.sex.stories passed Freedom of Speech test and the defendant was found not guilty
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#18How is pedophilia considered psychologically? Is it a treatable condition, an untreatable permanent condition, or simply a criminal choice?
Pedophilia is a paraphilia. Most psychologists believe paraphilias are permanent. Therapy and medication can help people control their urges if needed. Child sex abuse is a criminal choice.
Yeah, I had to work with SOs in my previous job and this sounds accurate. It's very hard to characterize this kind of thing though so if anyone else is curious it would be best to read up a bit on modern approaches.
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#19With an image of a real scene, I suppose it would be a defense against a child porn charge to prove that the participants were not minors. But there could be no such defense if the porn is generated. It becomes a matter for judges and juries to decide if a given picture of a person is over or under a particular age. I wonder if it would be a defense to prove that the prompt did not designate an illegal age.
It may be a useful liability hedge to provably include the prompt in generated content, like as a watermark. But since existing generation isn't repeatable, and the prompt can't reliably generate the same image, is that even possible?
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#20With an image of a real scene, I suppose it would be a defense against a child porn charge to prove that the participants were not minors. But there could be no such defense if the porn is generated. It becomes a matter for judges and juries to decide if a given picture of a person is over or under a particular age. I wonder if it would be a defense to prove that the prompt did not designate an illegal age. It may be…
If innocent prompt would generate that, then it's responsibility of the LLM model authors.