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Dutch parliament rejects ACTA, prohibits government to sign or ratify.

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Re: Dutch parliament rejects ACTA, prohibits government to sign or ratify.

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Post by tijs »

nodata wrote: post #8
aerique wrote: post #2

Especially resolution 3 is pertinent: "3. Resolution of Member Verhoeven (21 501-30, No. 288), 29 May 2012 (original Dutch text in PDF) The House of Representatives, - observes that treaties like ACTA lead to a further formalization of copyrights rules on the international level, - observes that such treaties are very difficult to modify and as a result can be an extra impediment for future reforms of copyright law,…

How strong are these "observes" and "requests"? Why not "requires"?

Observes are the argumentation, requests are the basis for new law.

Re: Dutch parliament rejects ACTA, prohibits government to sign or ratify.

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maurits wrote: post #10

Two critical notes to the general "holland is fantastic" fuzzy feelings. The Netherlands are European leaders when it comes to wiretapping communications. Its laws gives the intelligence communities extensive powers to tap, filter and store. This was already the case well before 9/11. Secondly, privacy is usually not a political or social issue of any real significance.

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Re: Dutch parliament rejects ACTA, prohibits government to sign or ratify.

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Post by davedx »

dutchbrit wrote: post #4

As a Dutch resident (British citizen), who's working on a file sharing startup, this news really makes me happy. Hopefully other countries will follow

Also a Brit in NL. Net neutrality and this news makes me very happy too, though I actually work (indirectly) for Hollywood!

Re: Dutch parliament rejects ACTA, prohibits government to sign or ratify.

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Post by dutchbrit »

davedx wrote: post #13
dutchbrit wrote: post #4

As a Dutch resident (British citizen), who's working on a file sharing startup, this news really makes me happy. Hopefully other countries will follow

Also a Brit in NL. Net neutrality and this news makes me very happy too, though I actually work (indirectly) for Hollywood!

Seriously? Where are you based?!

Re: Dutch parliament rejects ACTA, prohibits government to sign or ratify.

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Post by jkn »

maurits wrote: post #10

Two critical notes to the general "holland is fantastic" fuzzy feelings. The Netherlands are European leaders when it comes to wiretapping communications. Its laws gives the intelligence communities extensive powers to tap, filter and store. This was already the case well before 9/11. Secondly, privacy is usually not a political or social issue of any real significance.

The Netherlands recently passed a law on Net neutrality stating that a warrant is required for internet wiretapping:

https://www.bof.nl/2012/05/08/netherlands-first-country-in-e...

I don't see anything wrong with wiretapping with a warrant. Do people who argue against them also argue against home search warrants?

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Post by gglanzani »

And on the other and now the majority of ISP are blocking access to the PirateBay.

As much as I like the Netherlands (living here from 2006, I'm Italian), these inconsistencies in their systems are really annoying[^1]. Net neutrality, ACTA rejection on one side, blocking web sites on the other.

[^1]: I won't mention the other kind of inconsistencies, but if you really curious about some health care system madness, I encourage you to readhttp://blog.lanzani.nl/2011/doctors/

Re: Dutch parliament rejects ACTA, prohibits government to sign or ratify.

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gglanzani wrote: post #17

And on the other and now the majority of ISP are blocking access to the PirateBay. As much as I like the Netherlands (living here from 2006, I'm Italian), these inconsistencies in their systems are really annoying[^1]. Net neutrality, ACTA rejection on one side, blocking web sites on the other. [^1]: I won't mention the other kind of inconsistencies, but if you really curious about some health care system madness, I…

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Post by icoder »

gglanzani wrote: post #17

And on the other and now the majority of ISP are blocking access to the PirateBay. As much as I like the Netherlands (living here from 2006, I'm Italian), these inconsistencies in their systems are really annoying[^1]. Net neutrality, ACTA rejection on one side, blocking web sites on the other. [^1]: I won't mention the other kind of inconsistencies, but if you really curious about some health care system madness, I…

Really? The ISP-PirateBay blockade was ordered by a judge based on existing legislation. The field of net neutrality, privacy, copyright/piracy is changing and complex: I don't think it is reasonable to expect full consistency now. Tell me which country is consistent, and is so democratically? At least the Dutch have set a course, and in my opinion it is a good one.

[I read your blog entry, sorry to hear about your knee but otherwise I find your story single sided and your statement that doctors get money for not helping is so crude and slander-like that it needs citation, in my opinion - if it were not for the fact that I have to email you to comment on the post I would have placed this part of my reaction over there.]

Re: Dutch parliament rejects ACTA, prohibits government to sign or ratify.

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Post by mtgx »

rsanchez1 wrote: post #3

Earth to Congress, Europe is starting to turn against this treaty drafted in secret, when are you going to come out against this on the side of the American people?

Well, Sen. Wyden has asked the Obama administration to send ACTA to Senate for ratification, but the Obama administration refuses to do so, and says ACTA, which is a global treaty, can be made and signed just by the president. Something about that argument sounds very wrong to me.
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