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Ubuntu 24.10 to Default to Wayland for Nvidia Users

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Re: Ubuntu 24.10 to Default to Wayland for Nvidia Users

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Post by nolongerthere »

sjsdaiuasgdia wrote: post #44
nolongerthere wrote: post #27

Can anyone explain how Wayland and X(?) relate to Linux? Like what’s the windows equivalent? I’ve used Ubuntu desktop a few times, I keep liveUSB versions of mint, Suse, and Ubuntu on my ventoy, but I just don’t understand what the deal is with the constant discussion of Wayland and X…

Windows includes both display hardware handling functionality and a GUI framework to run on top of it. All of that is part of the OS that Microsoft provides A Linux system is assembled from several parts that aren't all that related to each other beyond the API interfaces exposed/used The Linux kernel brings a lot of core OS functionality, including display hardware handling, and a framework to expand that with hardw…

Thank you for the very detailed explanation!

Re: Ubuntu 24.10 to Default to Wayland for Nvidia Users

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Post by Dalewyn »

nequo wrote: post #71
Dalewyn wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Suspend/Sleep/Hibernation have always been jank, all bets are off if you dare use them. Just idle or shut it down like a sane man.

I’m only talking about window management getting messed up, not power management. My windows always go back to the correct position on the correct monitor with Sway. This was not the case with Gnome on X. Although my experience also matches sibling’s when it comes to power management.

My experience is that if I dare to use Suspend/Sleep/Hibernation, everything janks up. Power management, window management, network management, anything and everything.

It's why I always either just idle or shut down if I'm not using a desktop/laptop, depending on the expected downtime. I'm going to hard reboot anyway because of how janked up everything would otherwise be, so I might as well save myself the "fast" boot up cycle that just wastes my time.

Re: Ubuntu 24.10 to Default to Wayland for Nvidia Users

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Post by oliwarner »

aeyes wrote: post #15

This week I tried Wayland with Nvidia again on Arch and it was terrible, I experienced lag, bad performance and weird glitches like a jumping cursor. I admit that I only played with this for an hour or so. Maybe I didn't do some of the necessary configs to get a good experience, I just followed the Arch wiki instructions. I hope it's better on Ubuntu.

There's been a sync issue on Wayland which is just being fixed. The next major releases of the Nvidia driver should address it.

And let's not pretend that Wayland implementations are without bugs. But it feels closer than I believed possible.

Re: Ubuntu 24.10 to Default to Wayland for Nvidia Users

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Post by CynicusRex »

aeyes wrote: post #41
KingMachiavelli wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which card and desktop environment? The only bug I still experience is occasional desktop flickering. TBH Archlinux and NixOS have the easiest Nvidia experience because IIRC I think Ubuntu still defaults to Nouveau?

RTX 3070 on Plasma with the latest Nvidia driver. Things are probably better with AMD. I used Arch for 2 years and Fedora for about a year. I just can't handle Linux as a daily driver anymore, I don't really want to deal with all the little annoyances anymore. Every couple of months I come back to see if things are improving. I have zero issues with Windows. I don't do much dev work on this machine and when I do a VM…

“I don't really want to deal with all the little annoyances anymore” and “I have zero issues with Windows” does not compute. Or are you running Windows XP/7?

I'm running EndevourOS (Arch), KDE Plasma 6 on X11 and rarely have issues. Wayland isn't nice to me though. And as long as XScreenSaver doesn't work on it I likely won't switch. The same for AutoKey, although Hawck seems to be an alternative (https://github.com/snyball/Hawck).

Re: Ubuntu 24.10 to Default to Wayland for Nvidia Users

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Post by dario_od »

aeyes wrote: post #15

This week I tried Wayland with Nvidia again on Arch and it was terrible, I experienced lag, bad performance and weird glitches like a jumping cursor. I admit that I only played with this for an hour or so. Maybe I didn't do some of the necessary configs to get a good experience, I just followed the Arch wiki instructions. I hope it's better on Ubuntu.

It's not better on Ubuntu. I had your same experience

Re: Ubuntu 24.10 to Default to Wayland for Nvidia Users

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Post by nequo »

Dalewyn wrote: post #82
nequo wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m only talking about window management getting messed up, not power management. My windows always go back to the correct position on the correct monitor with Sway. This was not the case with Gnome on X. Although my experience also matches sibling’s when it comes to power management.

My experience is that if I dare to use Suspend/Sleep/Hibernation, everything janks up. Power management, window management, network management, anything and everything. It's why I always either just idle or shut down if I'm not using a desktop/laptop, depending on the expected downtime. I'm going to hard reboot anyway because of how janked up everything would otherwise be, so I might as well save myself the "fast" bo…

That must be very frustrating. I’m sure you’ve already tried to track down the culprit and it was in vain.

All I can say is that the ThinkPad + Sway combination seems solid even with suspend. I’m hoping you’ll find a fix too.

Re: Ubuntu 24.10 to Default to Wayland for Nvidia Users

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Post by Dalewyn »

nequo wrote: post #86
Dalewyn wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My experience is that if I dare to use Suspend/Sleep/Hibernation, everything janks up. Power management, window management, network management, anything and everything. It's why I always either just idle or shut down if I'm not using a desktop/laptop, depending on the expected downtime. I'm going to hard reboot anyway because of how janked up everything would otherwise be, so I might as well save myself the "fast" bo…

That must be very frustrating. I’m sure you’ve already tried to track down the culprit and it was in vain. All I can say is that the ThinkPad + Sway combination seems solid even with suspend. I’m hoping you’ll find a fix too.

Well, my fix has been to disregard their very existence since it's clearly not worth my time.

Especially nowadays where computers boot off of SSDs, a full cold boot doesn't take more than several seconds anyway. There certainly was an argument back in ye olde HDD days.

Re: Ubuntu 24.10 to Default to Wayland for Nvidia Users

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Post by SuperNinKenDo »

KingMachiavelli wrote: post #17

Good, it's been long enough for GPU manufacturers to ensure proper Wayland support and with the exception of EOL Nvidia cards (Kepler and older I think), everything mostly works on Wayland. wlroots + Nvidia still has some issues like flickering but AFAIK that's mostly been solved. The issue with popular distro's like Ubuntu defaulting to X11 for certain hardware is it allows companies like Nvidia to de-prioritize Way…

I'm inclined to agree with you about it being time to make life difficult for nvidia, but that's mainly because I totally disagree with much of what else you said. Running nvidia with Wayland is a bloody nightmare, I've been gritting my teeth for the last year or more and I'm about ready to go back. I just have an application that relies on it and some particularly terrible tearing problems on X11 for some reason. But on Wayland, with nvidia, so many little and big things are still totally broken, and oftentimes the failure is not graceful, but stateful and problematic, and I'm someone who knows what I'm doing.

Re: Ubuntu 24.10 to Default to Wayland for Nvidia Users

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Post by ranguna »

KingMachiavelli wrote: post #17

Good, it's been long enough for GPU manufacturers to ensure proper Wayland support and with the exception of EOL Nvidia cards (Kepler and older I think), everything mostly works on Wayland. wlroots + Nvidia still has some issues like flickering but AFAIK that's mostly been solved. The issue with popular distro's like Ubuntu defaulting to X11 for certain hardware is it allows companies like Nvidia to de-prioritize Way…

To be honest, I don't think it's going to be the Ubuntu community (or even the whole Linux desktop community) that's going to pressure nvidia to support wayland.

We are all but a drop in the nvidia ocean.

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