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Ubuntu 24.10 to Default to Wayland for Nvidia Users

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Re: Ubuntu 24.10 to Default to Wayland for Nvidia Users

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Post by nequo »

Dalewyn wrote: post #61
nequo wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> traditional window managers seem to work better with my brain. My final push came from Gnome (on X11) randomly messing up Alt+Tab so that each time it would start cycling from an arbitrary window rather than the current one, only fixable by logging out and logging in again. Also annoying: with an external monitor, windows sometimes jump between monitors after suspend and resume for no clear reason. No such issues w…

Suspend/Sleep/Hibernation have always been jank, all bets are off if you dare use them. Just idle or shut it down like a sane man.

I’m only talking about window management getting messed up, not power management. My windows always go back to the correct position on the correct monitor with Sway. This was not the case with Gnome on X.

Although my experience also matches sibling’s when it comes to power management.

Re: Ubuntu 24.10 to Default to Wayland for Nvidia Users

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Post by baobun »

phs2501 wrote: post #34
neilv wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

After trying a few tiling window managers (including over a year with i3wm), I got xmonad to be the least amount of work/thinking to use.

Same, which is one reason I'm dreading the eventual Xpocalypse, as I have not found a drop-in replacement for Xmonad in the Wayland universe. (Particularly, the way Xmonad deals with multiple monitors and desktops just makes sense to me.)

You can get very close to the Xmonad experience with Qtile. It's the most flexible tiling WM in terms of tiling modes, I believe.

Python config and runs under either X11 or Wayland.

https://docs.qtile.org/en/latest/manual/ref/layouts.html#mon...

Re: Ubuntu 24.10 to Default to Wayland for Nvidia Users

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Post by ta988 »

saidinesh5 wrote: post #53
daynum wrote: post #33

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What DE did you use? I have been using KDE Plasma 6 (Wayland) on arch, with proprietary Nvidia drivers, and, I'm seeing no issues, even games run good.

Not the OP, but Wayland experience was horrible for me too when I moved to KF6/Plasma last week on my manjaro Zoom in Chrome sent my CPU usage to 100%, screen sharing was annoying and some of the options in that portal selection dialog weren't working.. Video playback in Firefox was freezing. Switched back to X11 after an hour and things started working normally again.

Zoom wayland support isn't great but that's entirely their fault.

Re: Ubuntu 24.10 to Default to Wayland for Nvidia Users

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Post by free_bip »

daynum wrote: post #33
aeyes wrote: post #15

This week I tried Wayland with Nvidia again on Arch and it was terrible, I experienced lag, bad performance and weird glitches like a jumping cursor. I admit that I only played with this for an hour or so. Maybe I didn't do some of the necessary configs to get a good experience, I just followed the Arch wiki instructions. I hope it's better on Ubuntu.

What DE did you use? I have been using KDE Plasma 6 (Wayland) on arch, with proprietary Nvidia drivers, and, I'm seeing no issues, even games run good.

I also run KDE plasma 6 and when I try to play Stardew Valley in particular on Wayland I get horrific flickering at ~15hz that I'm certain would trigger someone's photosensitive epilepsy... It's really bad. On X server it works as expected.

Re: Ubuntu 24.10 to Default to Wayland for Nvidia Users

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Post by Ballas »

aeyes wrote: post #15

This week I tried Wayland with Nvidia again on Arch and it was terrible, I experienced lag, bad performance and weird glitches like a jumping cursor. I admit that I only played with this for an hour or so. Maybe I didn't do some of the necessary configs to get a good experience, I just followed the Arch wiki instructions. I hope it's better on Ubuntu.

Yeah, that is my experience as well everytime I try Wayland. There is always something that makes it unusable for my use case - be it remote desktop or user experience due to issues like you describe, or some other reason. I have resorted to sticking with X11 for as long as possible, I will try Wayland again when X11 is not an option anymore.

Re: Ubuntu 24.10 to Default to Wayland for Nvidia Users

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Post by saurik »

yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #64
saurik wrote: post #6

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Were you benefiting from the use of Xorg and are now missing something important?

? It sounds like they don't care except that Xorg works and Wayland doesn't

[edit] Oh. Damn. I now see I made a really critical typo/mistake in my question: I meant to say Wayland, not Xorg. :/

[original reply, based on a faulty interpretation of your response due to my not realizing I made the typo I had] Well, that would be my position for sure... at which point I would argue they in fact did know how to fix their issue: stop using Wayland. But like, people sometimes claim to have good reasons to be using Wayland, and so before I start going down that path I wanted to hear, from them, whether they actually cared about Wayland for a real reason.

Re: Ubuntu 24.10 to Default to Wayland for Nvidia Users

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Post by int_19h »

elliotto wrote: post #32
0cf8612b2e1e wrote: post #30

As an end user, is there any immediate usability gains to be had with Wayland today? I understand X is old and crufty, but if I embraced the switch do I gain anything? Or more it sets the stage for future improvements kind of thing?

I had a nightmare trying to get a 4 x 4k monitor setup using Xorg. When I switched to Wayland, basically all my problems were solved and it worked out of the box. The Xorg multiple monitor support is really bad and barely works if you are trying to do anything complex with it. If that's not a problem you have then great! But most people today are using multiple monitors.

> most people today are using multiple monitors.

I don't think that's really true. Most devs, maybe, but even then I'm doubtful.

Re: Ubuntu 24.10 to Default to Wayland for Nvidia Users

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Post by yjftsjthsd-h »

Dalewyn wrote: post #61
nequo wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> traditional window managers seem to work better with my brain. My final push came from Gnome (on X11) randomly messing up Alt+Tab so that each time it would start cycling from an arbitrary window rather than the current one, only fixable by logging out and logging in again. Also annoying: with an external monitor, windows sometimes jump between monitors after suspend and resume for no clear reason. No such issues w…

Suspend/Sleep/Hibernation have always been jank, all bets are off if you dare use them. Just idle or shut it down like a sane man.

That depends on your hardware; generations of thinkpads have Just Worked, and the best sleep I've ever seen was Linux on some random Lenovo laptop (it slept properly, and could wake faster than I opened the lid).

Re: Ubuntu 24.10 to Default to Wayland for Nvidia Users

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Post by omnimus »

TaylorAlexander wrote: post #7
porphyra wrote: post #4

I wish Nvidia would work nicely with Sway. I fully understand the Sway developers' dislike of Nvidia considering how hostile Nvidia was for many years. I suppose nowadays Sway should work with Nvidia but you still have to use the `--unsupported-gpu` option and enable kernel modesetting.

I had to look it up but if anyone is curious, Sway is a Wayland-based drop in replacement for i3, a tiling window manager. I always wanted to get in to i3, but traditional window managers seem to work better with my brain.

You can also go middleground and for example for GNOME use one of several tiling extensions. I use Forge and its working great.

Re: Ubuntu 24.10 to Default to Wayland for Nvidia Users

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Post by doix »

simoncion wrote: post #46
elliotto wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had a nightmare trying to get a 4 x 4k monitor setup using Xorg. When I switched to Wayland, basically all my problems were solved and it worked out of the box. The Xorg multiple monitor support is really bad and barely works if you are trying to do anything complex with it. If that's not a problem you have then great! But most people today are using multiple monitors.

> If that's not a problem you have then great! But most people today are using multiple monitors. Just out of curiosity, what was complex about your quad 4k monitor configuration? As a lark, I've used xrandr to do all sorts of weird stuff and it has handled it just fine. I've been using multiple monitors with xorg for fifteen, twenty years. (For quite a while, I used three monitors, but now I just have two.) Until XR…

The problem with xorg is per monitor scaling. If your laptop is 4k and you want 2x scaling and your external monitor is a 32" 4k monitor that doesn't need scaling (or 1.25x) then you're basically shit out of luck with Xorg.

I think it's on the verge of being impossible to be honest. If you don't need any scaling then yeah, xrandr is fine. I ran 4 24" monitors, 2 horizontal and 2 vertical and xrandar handles it just fine.

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