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Fiat brings back its 500e electric model for 2024, with 149 mile range

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Re: Fiat brings back its 500e electric model for 2024, with 149 mile range

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Post by aquaticsunset »

JojoFatsani wrote: post #12
aquaticsunset wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you want a screaming lease deal, check out the Subaru Solterra. It makes me genuinely upset I bought one instead of leased. Love the car, didn't mind the price, but wow these things are at a discount.

Because they are one of the worst vehicles in their class.

Dunno about that... My criteria was a bit different than the "on paper" stats:

1) Had normal instrumentation and control systems inside. No spaceship tech features.

2) Reliability and build quality cannot be compromised.

3) Strong dealership network with readily available parts and trained technicians.

Fast charge rate and long road trip worthiness doesn't matter to me because I don't do that. It's absolutely peppy and will put down the power when you need it for a quick merge or highway on ramp. Overall incredibly happy with this car.

Edit: formatting

Re: Fiat brings back its 500e electric model for 2024, with 149 mile range

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Post by vladgur »

jwells89 wrote: post #18

I’m looking at leasing one of these because I don’t need a whole lot of car, since I don’t commute — mostly I just need a grocery-grabber, and it’s one of the handful of EVs that’s small enough to fit in my somewhat undersized garage while still leaving ample room to move around the car. We really need more Honda Fit type EVs… think small, cheap, and high utility, but the way things are looking the next several years…

Have you looked at Kia Kona EVs. I think they are close to Fit’s size

Re: Fiat brings back its 500e electric model for 2024, with 149 mile range

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Post by jwells89 »

vladgur wrote: post #22
jwells89 wrote: post #18

I’m looking at leasing one of these because I don’t need a whole lot of car, since I don’t commute — mostly I just need a grocery-grabber, and it’s one of the handful of EVs that’s small enough to fit in my somewhat undersized garage while still leaving ample room to move around the car. We really need more Honda Fit type EVs… think small, cheap, and high utility, but the way things are looking the next several years…

Have you looked at Kia Kona EVs. I think they are close to Fit’s size

It’s close-ish but about 5” longer. Might consider with a good lease deal, but the high number of recalls on Hyundai/Kia vehicles is concerning. Have read they’re also more expensive to insure.

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Post by kabigon »

Phoenix5869 wrote: post #5

EDIT: in hindsight, i shouldn’t’ve dismissed this as just “oh it hasn’t got good range” . I will try not to be so dismissive in future. This should be good for an average commute in an urban area. Side note tho, remember when the high end cars had below 100 mile range?

$32k USD starting is not what I would call affordable. Even the Nissan Leaf starts lower. This car is honestly a bit of a joke in the US markets even for a small, simple commuter you can do much better here in the EV space. A used 2018 leaf would get more range, charge faster and cost less.

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Post by dangrossman »

aquaticsunset wrote: post #21
JojoFatsani wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because they are one of the worst vehicles in their class.

Dunno about that... My criteria was a bit different than the "on paper" stats: 1) Had normal instrumentation and control systems inside. No spaceship tech features. 2) Reliability and build quality cannot be compromised. 3) Strong dealership network with readily available parts and trained technicians. Fast charge rate and long road trip worthiness doesn't matter to me because I don't do that. It's absolutely peppy a…

I'd also say it's objectively one of the worst EVs on the market, and as far as the dealership network and technicians go, perhaps only if you can get a Toyota service center to work on it. It's not really a Subaru at all, it's a rebadged Toyota bZ4X, best-known for the "its wheels fall off" stop-sale recall in 2022.

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Post by posguy »

Always42 wrote: post #14
deevus wrote: post #13

I got to test drive one of these. It's such a fun little car to drive, albeit not that responsive or fast. If you just needed a little runabout it would be perfect for that. In Australia these cost just under 70K AUD. The interior is very nice, and quite spacious for what it is. There is a lot of leather that looks and feels good. If I didn't need to occasionally do long distance (150km+) it would have been a contend…

70k AUD ~= $47k

Seems really expensive given when these were last in the USA they were offering $99 a month leases for 36 months, and you got the tax credits as though this was a purchased vehicle which nearly covered all of the monthly lease payments.

Re: Fiat brings back its 500e electric model for 2024, with 149 mile range

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Post by xyzzy_plugh »

asveikau wrote: post #27

"Brings back" is funny, US market centric. They've had the revamped electric one in Europe since 2021. They stopped exporting to the US in 2019 or so. Now they're bringing it back to the US.

I found this headline mind boggling, as I've been reading reviews that cover the 500e continuously since it was introduced.

A "brings back (to the US market)" or something would go along way.

Re: Fiat brings back its 500e electric model for 2024, with 149 mile range

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Post by metadat »

xyzzy_plugh wrote: post #28
asveikau wrote: post #27

"Brings back" is funny, US market centric. They've had the revamped electric one in Europe since 2021. They stopped exporting to the US in 2019 or so. Now they're bringing it back to the US.

I found this headline mind boggling, as I've been reading reviews that cover the 500e continuously since it was introduced. A "brings back (to the US market)" or something would go along way.

It's just another submarine*.

* Or similar media manipulation.

https://paulgraham.com/submarine.html

P.s. I hate linking to [what I perceive as to be] another stereotypically "privileged" guy's website, but it was the original place I learned of this mass-manipulation phenomenon.

To be clear, some of his writing is good but what he stands and represents doesn't vibe with me. Yet I'm still in HN, fml.

Re: Fiat brings back its 500e electric model for 2024, with 149 mile range

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Post by xyzzy_plugh »

a_vanderbilt wrote: post #6

I rewrote this comment because I think the angle I had initially was wrong. While I think it will struggle in the US/Canadian market, in the EU I think it will be popular. It also does have CarPlay, which I was incorrect about. Commenter below was kind enough to point that out.

It's been available in EU since its inception circa 2020. It's popular enough that they're bringing it west.
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