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Ubuntu 24.10 to Default to Wayland for Nvidia Users

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Re: Ubuntu 24.10 to Default to Wayland for Nvidia Users

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Post by tomnipotent »

aeyes wrote: post #15

This week I tried Wayland with Nvidia again on Arch and it was terrible, I experienced lag, bad performance and weird glitches like a jumping cursor. I admit that I only played with this for an hour or so. Maybe I didn't do some of the necessary configs to get a good experience, I just followed the Arch wiki instructions. I hope it's better on Ubuntu.

When I first switched to Wayland it took me a bit to catch on that many programs were running under XWayland, including Firefox/Chrome and anything Electron-based. You can run xprop in terminal then click on a window to determine if that's the case.

Re: Ubuntu 24.10 to Default to Wayland for Nvidia Users

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Post by elliotto »

0cf8612b2e1e wrote: post #30

As an end user, is there any immediate usability gains to be had with Wayland today? I understand X is old and crufty, but if I embraced the switch do I gain anything? Or more it sets the stage for future improvements kind of thing?

I had a nightmare trying to get a 4 x 4k monitor setup using Xorg. When I switched to Wayland, basically all my problems were solved and it worked out of the box. The Xorg multiple monitor support is really bad and barely works if you are trying to do anything complex with it.

If that's not a problem you have then great! But most people today are using multiple monitors.

Re: Ubuntu 24.10 to Default to Wayland for Nvidia Users

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Post by daynum »

aeyes wrote: post #15

This week I tried Wayland with Nvidia again on Arch and it was terrible, I experienced lag, bad performance and weird glitches like a jumping cursor. I admit that I only played with this for an hour or so. Maybe I didn't do some of the necessary configs to get a good experience, I just followed the Arch wiki instructions. I hope it's better on Ubuntu.

What DE did you use? I have been using KDE Plasma 6 (Wayland) on arch, with proprietary Nvidia drivers, and, I'm seeing no issues, even games run good.

Re: Ubuntu 24.10 to Default to Wayland for Nvidia Users

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Post by phs2501 »

neilv wrote: post #25
jwells89 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Count me in with the group that’s not been able to find the appeal in tiling WMs. For more automatic setups I find myself “fighting” them a lot, and for manual setups I’m micromanaging windows much more than I do with a typical floating WM. My preferred setup is a floating WM with dual monitors, with each monitor’s virtual desktops being fully independent (so switching one doesn’t switch the other), which allows usin…

After trying a few tiling window managers (including over a year with i3wm), I got xmonad to be the least amount of work/thinking to use.

Same, which is one reason I'm dreading the eventual Xpocalypse, as I have not found a drop-in replacement for Xmonad in the Wayland universe. (Particularly, the way Xmonad deals with multiple monitors and desktops just makes sense to me.)

Re: Ubuntu 24.10 to Default to Wayland for Nvidia Users

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Post by aeyes »

daynum wrote: post #33
aeyes wrote: post #15

This week I tried Wayland with Nvidia again on Arch and it was terrible, I experienced lag, bad performance and weird glitches like a jumping cursor. I admit that I only played with this for an hour or so. Maybe I didn't do some of the necessary configs to get a good experience, I just followed the Arch wiki instructions. I hope it's better on Ubuntu.

What DE did you use? I have been using KDE Plasma 6 (Wayland) on arch, with proprietary Nvidia drivers, and, I'm seeing no issues, even games run good.

Plasma

Re: Ubuntu 24.10 to Default to Wayland for Nvidia Users

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Post by viraptor »

0cf8612b2e1e wrote: post #30

As an end user, is there any immediate usability gains to be had with Wayland today? I understand X is old and crufty, but if I embraced the switch do I gain anything? Or more it sets the stage for future improvements kind of thing?

Multimonitor with different scaling mostly "just works". You can do some tricks on X to achieve something similar, but you'll be likely running into issues. (I'm not sure any DE even exposes that in a simple way)

Re: Ubuntu 24.10 to Default to Wayland for Nvidia Users

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Post by viraptor »

sebastos wrote: post #21
jsdavo wrote: post #19

Wayland breaks the GlobalProtect™ VPN client. Quite annoying.

Why is that damn client so finicky in the first place? Even on X it's always been unreliable. What the heck did they do that makes it so delicate?

Blame marketing, branding and pressure for value-add. There's no reason for anyone to have a VPN client you can see. It's all IPSec, OpenVPN, or wireguard under the covers. It should be handed off to the OS, but every corp needs to be a special little snowflake and show you their logo. (Yeah, I'm bitter, I fought with way too many crappy GUI wrappers for openvpn CLI) Once the app exists, there seems to be little pressure to make it actually good - one of them updated and literally removed the necessary client but just from the MacOS releases.

(ZeroTier gets a pass though because it's an uncommon protocol and I can't remember the last time I've actually seen the app open - as it should be.)

Re: Ubuntu 24.10 to Default to Wayland for Nvidia Users

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Post by xyst »

Are there any good Linux desktop communities y’all recommend joining?

I want to setup a passwordless workflow with a Linux desktop environment, but I’m honestly lost between “Wayland” vs “wlroots” vs “X”. I only understand that Wayland is the preferred “display server” and “X” only exists for legacy.

And this is only the display server. I have not even delved into the other components.

Right now, I have setup a basic desktop environment.

Boot up VM or PC -> presented with a terminal to ”login” -> input user -> input password -> load basic terminal (i guess this is called a “tty” (?) -> type command to load desktop environment -> do stuff

What I am looking for is:

Register yubikey with user and password as fallback. Reboot PC and leave yubikey connected.

As PC boots up, it will automatically see yubikey corresponds to user on machine, and proceeds to load in desktop environment. No more manual process as described above. Can “do stuff” much faster.

Can even use the yubikey for subsequent operations in user space (ie, sudo authentication).

Would be cool to have a security feature that will lock the session if it has been removed; or have ability to fallback to manual password entry (in case hw auth is broken).

I have been able to do this in macOS to a certain degree of success with TouchID. But every time I update the machine, Apple update process resets the pam modules.

Re: Ubuntu 24.10 to Default to Wayland for Nvidia Users

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Post by nine_k »

xyst wrote: post #39

Are there any good Linux desktop communities y’all recommend joining? I want to setup a passwordless workflow with a Linux desktop environment, but I’m honestly lost between “Wayland” vs “wlroots” vs “X”. I only understand that Wayland is the preferred “display server” and “X” only exists for legacy. And this is only the display server. I have not even delved into the other components. Right now, I have setup a basic…

PAM was invented for scenarios like that. AFAICT logind uses PAM no matter what graphics server are you running.

So this likely works under Wayland and X equally, provided the right yubikey: https://adl1995.github.io/passwordless-logins-with-yubikey.h...

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