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Hertz Charging a Tesla Renter for Gas Was Not an Isolated Incident

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Re: Hertz Charging a Tesla Renter for Gas Was Not an Isolated Incident

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Half of the stories about billing for unused gas are clearly just theft. Why do consumers have no recourse against companies that steal from them? If I made charges to someone's card for services that weren't rendered, I'd probably go to jail.

at what point does something like this garner class-action attention? most of the money ends up going to the lawyers, though…

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post #9

Rented a Hertz and got charged $90 a day for easy pass service whether I drove the car or not (I was camping for a week) and had no way of fighting the charges, some fine print tricked me. For such scams I vowed to never give my business to Hertz again. Ever.

Wow, that is highway robbery. It takes months to accrue $90 of EZ pass charges for most driving situations.

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This is a simple case where it's pretty easy to prove that they made a mistake, but I once got charged for skip the pump, despite a) i had filled in the tank, b) the tank was not even full when I picked the car. Lucky enough I always keep the pump receipts and they ended refunding me, but I'm left to wonder how many people get charged those fees and can't get them reversed

Every single time I rent a car in Vegas. No matter what company, I get dinged for gas. Keep all my receipts and make a video showing the gauge while dropping off the car.

It's just an admin hassle each time.

Re: Hertz Charging a Tesla Renter for Gas Was Not an Isolated Incident

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Half of the stories about billing for unused gas are clearly just theft. Why do consumers have no recourse against companies that steal from them? If I made charges to someone's card for services that weren't rendered, I'd probably go to jail.

It's not theft. Rather just regular old big company incompetence. You're dealing with broken automated systems and an out-sourced customer support agent. Wait until LLMs arrive on the scene and further exacerbate the problem.

While I generally agree with your premise, the problem is that when companies realize they can make more money through "old big company incompetence", at best it means they have no incentive to improve, and at worst in means they can maliciously overcharge and then just blame it on "incompetence".

I really think government needs to enact laws that make companies compensate people for their time when they have to deal with bureaucratic nightmares like this. Right now companies just get to externalize the costs of their fucks ups onto everyone else.

Re: Hertz Charging a Tesla Renter for Gas Was Not an Isolated Incident

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Small claims court. Just depends on your time value of money. Or willingness to screw with them for gigs.

I was too busy to fight it off, initially called my CC and put stop on charges. Eventually they got my money.

Reminds me of the time I made the mistake of booking a Hertz rental through Expedia. My rental started on a daylight savings time changeover.

_Hertz_ messed up the rental dates on their end of the transaction (by multiple days, even) and would not allow me to modify or cancel the rental. I ended up disputing the charge with Expedia via an AmEx chargeback and lost.

AmEx owns 10% of Expedia.

Re: Hertz Charging a Tesla Renter for Gas Was Not an Isolated Incident

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Half of the stories about billing for unused gas are clearly just theft. Why do consumers have no recourse against companies that steal from them? If I made charges to someone's card for services that weren't rendered, I'd probably go to jail.

at what point does something like this garner class-action attention? most of the money ends up going to the lawyers, though…

It can get extremely expensive before anything is done. And in fact the high price of it can keep it going, when it’s benefitting those with lobbying power

Just take a look at wage theft and federal police theft stats compared with all other forms of robbery in the US - it’s out of control but the only thing that seems to get actioned on is the small shoplifting issue, not the vastly worse forms of theft (per dollar value)

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post #19

It’s surprising to me how large businesses can basically steal from people like this with impunity, under the guise of some “fee.” Of course 10 years later there’s a class action lawsuit where everyone gets a check for $23 in the mail, but, at that point what’s the point?

Because overcharging someone isn't actually theft, and rarely rises to the level of fraud.

Why is it not theft?

Re: Hertz Charging a Tesla Renter for Gas Was Not an Isolated Incident

#28
I've also heard people tell similarly bizarre stories (e.g., a non-smoker getting billed a smoking cleaning fee) about Hertz. Given their well publicized financial troubles, I kinda assume they're doing this systematically? I wonder what it would take for some AGs to get involved and send people to jail.

Re: Hertz Charging a Tesla Renter for Gas Was Not an Isolated Incident

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Small claims court. Just depends on your time value of money. Or willingness to screw with them for gigs.

I was too busy to fight it off, initially called my CC and put stop on charges. Eventually they got my money.

This is a huge feature of CCs that most people don't recognize. You're paying an extra ~3% to credit card companies in exchange for the ability to dispute a charge. If a merchant (in this case Hertz) accepted cash, you would get an invoice in your hand that you could dispute on the spot and just simply not pay. The reverse would be true for Hertz who could try to sue you for not complying.

Re: Hertz Charging a Tesla Renter for Gas Was Not an Isolated Incident

#30
Sadly I think most car rental companies are filled with fine print hell.

The one that has bitten me a few times is the minimum miles fee. Rent a car at the airport because it’s cheaper than an Uber. Drive to a friends house and the vehicle never is used until return. Since it is bellow some threshold, 30 miles or so, you get charged a $15-25 fee unless you had shown a receipt for gas.

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