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Cyber Security: A pre-war reality check

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Re: Cyber Security: A pre-war reality check

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Post by simion314 »

mardifoufs wrote: post #237
simion314 wrote: post #213

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Do you understand cause and effect, before Romania allied with Germany, guess who was allied with Germany ? Yes USSR, and guess what happened? Stalin and Hitler had a deal where Ruzzians were given parts of Romania. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_occupation_of_Bessarabi... So here is the impressive Ruzzian logic, show me your mental skills explaining it USSR collaborates with Hitler and steals Romanian land, Th…

This has literally nothing to do with Putin what are you even talking about? You are justifying the Romanian invasion of the USSR and their collaboration with the nazi state. That's fine I guess, it just makes it hard to play the victim card. Again, this is about events that happened before Putin was even born. It's not Russian propaganda to say that Romanians were complicit until the very last moment when they decid…

We got lost in this big comments.

I am trying to tell you that Ruzzians refuse to accept that everyone in Eastern Europe, Baltic so Romania had good reasons to enter in NATO, to defend themselves.

I attempted to give you examples why Romania needs to defend themselves, it sure a Ruzzian will say that we should ahve stayed netural because Ruzzia would never, ever invade a neighbor (but then a big list of contra examples follows of invasions)

Re: Cyber Security: A pre-war reality check

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Post by runlaszlorun »

0cf8612b2e1e wrote: post #188
hughesjj wrote: post #137

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Definitely, we've seen this in fiber cuts before. That said a degraded availability is better than no availability. I know it's controversial in the context of net neutrality but personally I'd be okay with traffic shaping/prioritization for critical infra in cases such as this. Keep the power plants, emergency services, military, government, transit running over intsagram and netflix when things come down to it.

Does the government not maintain its own dedicated communication infrastructure between important installations? Or has it all been replaced with public connections?

It’s been a 25 years since I’ve even been remotely exposed to them, but I believe the military currently has a non-classified NIPRnet, a classified secret SIPRnet, and a network called JWICS for top secret.

I think all three are physically seperated from the commercial internet and each other but don’t quote me on it.

Uncle Sam doesn’t mess around…

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Post by Ray20 »

koonsolo wrote: post #208
Ray20 wrote: post #168

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>Ukrainians want a sovereign democratic country, and they are willing to pay a very high price for that. Doesn't seemed to be true, considering Ban for men's leaving country, forcefull conscription and cancelled elections

Any country at war does that. UK cancelled elections during WW2, look it up.

So what? This doesn't invalidate my argument.

Re: Cyber Security: A pre-war reality check

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Post by runlaszlorun »

joquarky wrote: post #169

What's grating on my nerves is that I called out a lot of security concerns in courts & justice software and shortly after was constructively dismissed. I've been unemployed ever since. I'm getting antsy about income and getting no traction on my job search. How many other people are advanced in tech but having some difficulty finding work right now? How tempted will they be to switch to black hat for income? I can't…

I’ve quit looking. I found myself dragging my butt out of bed and to a coffee shop to spend all day fabricating new versions of my resume in order to not get jobs that I didn’t want anyway.

If you know any black hat tips, feel free to send them my way… lol

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Post by runlaszlorun »

cpursley wrote: post #156
kjkjadksj wrote: post #77

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China makes consumer crap not our guns and bombs. In a wartime situation maybe people can’t get iphone cases from temu, big whoop. Not the first time the american population rationed consumer products in wartime. We will still have power and air, sea, and space superiority which is what really matters.

This is really out of date thinking, even South Korea is better at making ships than America now. In wartime China would switch from gadgets to bombs and drones and out produce us by an order of magnitude. They already produce 3x more vehicles than America; It’s 2024, not 1956. Review the article called “The return of industrial warfare”. https://www.rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/comme...

looks like a great article. thx for posting.

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Post by dopylitty »

ahubert wrote: post #3

Author here - if you have any questions, please do let me know!

If you ever give this talk in the US you can mention the fact that apparently US farmers are unable to farm without GPS[0]

Surely it's no problem that their food supply depends entirely on a finicky and easily jammed system of satellites.

0: https://www.404media.co/solar-storm-knocks-out-tractor-gps-s...

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Post by mardifoufs »

simion314 wrote: post #251
mardifoufs wrote: post #237

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This has literally nothing to do with Putin what are you even talking about? You are justifying the Romanian invasion of the USSR and their collaboration with the nazi state. That's fine I guess, it just makes it hard to play the victim card. Again, this is about events that happened before Putin was even born. It's not Russian propaganda to say that Romanians were complicit until the very last moment when they decid…

We got lost in this big comments. I am trying to tell you that Ruzzians refuse to accept that everyone in Eastern Europe, Baltic so Romania had good reasons to enter in NATO, to defend themselves. I attempted to give you examples why Romania needs to defend themselves, it sure a Ruzzian will say that we should ahve stayed netural because Ruzzia would never, ever invade a neighbor (but then a big list of contra exampl…

I don't disagree with that. Romania would be foolish not to be in NATO, I completely agree

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Post by allarm »

Dalewyn wrote: post #105
hughesjj wrote: post #103

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The back of my head is screaming "defense in depth! Redundant systems!" The whole idea of the internet (and even some of our infra, like suburbs or highways/rail) is that there's no one single point of failure. Like designed-to-survive-nuclear-war redundant. Definitely incorporate the most advanced tech you can for when things are going smoothly to get that efficency gain, but there's a reason all branches of the mil…

>The whole idea of the internet (and even some of our infra, like suburbs or highways/rail) is that there's no one single point of failure. Like designed-to-survive-nuclear-war redundant. The reality of course is that the internet has turned into a fragile, centralized system of complication that rests on single failure points like Cloudflare, AWS, and Chrome. The internet as envisioned by DARPA would have survived t…

> like Cloudflare, AWS, and Chrome.

That’s essentially www, not Internet. You don’t need any of those to communicate (reliably) between two hosts.

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Post by simion314 »

mardifoufs wrote: post #257
simion314 wrote: post #251

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We got lost in this big comments. I am trying to tell you that Ruzzians refuse to accept that everyone in Eastern Europe, Baltic so Romania had good reasons to enter in NATO, to defend themselves. I attempted to give you examples why Romania needs to defend themselves, it sure a Ruzzian will say that we should ahve stayed netural because Ruzzia would never, ever invade a neighbor (but then a big list of contra exampl…

I don't disagree with that. Romania would be foolish not to be in NATO, I completely agree

OK then, I was explaining all the times Ruzzia (they had different names for the empire in the past now is a "federation" ) invaded our lands, some Zeds still complain that their neighbors had no reason to enter NATO or some are claiming it was all CIA, Satan, Israel or Illuminati that made this countries dislike or hate Ruzzia and Rusky the chosen people.

Re: Cyber Security: A pre-war reality check

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Post by inhumantsar »

sweetjuly wrote: post #201
pama wrote: post #193

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A reasonable guess is that some entities are storing / collecting attacks patiently waiting for one big event. Having smaller constant incidents only helps strengthen the opponent over time, thus making it harder to deploy a coordinated attack that can change history. The dutch narrative in the article is a good example of what happens whem nontechnical people make decisions over long periods of time without major in…

This makes sense for nation states playing war games but what about smaller actors? Terror groups seem content blowing up shopping malls and driving cars into parades (which are all things which I imagine are planned on a much shorter scale than your proposed "long game"). Why don't they go after infrastructure and businesses? Surely critical infrastructure is an interesting and attractive target for them?

there's a clue in the name I think. terror, as in deep, mortal fear. the goal of a terror group is to make as many average individuals fear for their lives as possible.

cyberattacks, even significant and disruptive ones, are abstract. it's hard to draw a line from shutting down a pipeline to an individual's sense of mortality. it's not an efficient way to get their message across.

ofc it would be a different situation if terror groups could use a cyberattack to drain the capital out of an entire bank or cause a power plant to go chernobyl.

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