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Re: Microsoft set to unveil its vision for AI PCs

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Post by akira2501 »

TechRemarker wrote: post #30
righthand wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

MacOS is pretty clownish, if you think Apple isn’t using your data for advertisers when you use their services on their OS I have a bridge to sell you. MacOS also has things like Gatekeeper that play off of FUD as a security feature. The fact that Apple will gladly send your iCloud backups to the feds as well I wouldn’t call it a platform that is exclusive to modern bs.

People love to find every any any cracks in Apple. Apple notes right on their site what data they share: https://www.apple.com/legal/privacy/en-ww/#accordion-label-5... . If Apple was lying, and sharing any additional data to advertisers, with privacy a pillar of their whole company, people who have uncovered that, and would be breaking news on every single news site. In regards to to "glady" sharing backups to the f…

People like to ignore the fact that Apple has just as much a monopoly as Microsoft and exploits it just as often.

Making your fealty to a monopoly a proud point of personality is a distinctly modern affect.

Re: Microsoft set to unveil its vision for AI PCs

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Post by math_dandy »

blackeyeblitzar wrote: post #13
RunSet wrote: post #3

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Yes and it is crucial that it be integrated and enabled at a hardware level so that I can never opt out in any meaningful sense.

They’re sort of doing that already - MS says an “AI PC” must have a Copilot button. Not a generic AI button that can be mapped to competitors as well, but a Copilot specific button.

Contrastively, if the computer has no dedicated copilot button then it’s not at “AI PC”. Makes it simple to avoid the undesirable product lines.

Re: Microsoft set to unveil its vision for AI PCs

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Post by akira2501 »

pcloadletter_ wrote: post #24

I'm sure there are great applications for LLMs, really. But can we stop just putting minimal wrappers around ChatGPT and trying to cram it into everything?

A one time tax write off for bad AI investments is required. Otherwise, Microsoft has billions of dollars locked up in this premature idea, and out of shareholder embarrassment has to attempt to recoup that in some meaningful way.

Re: Microsoft set to unveil its vision for AI PCs

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Post by Klonoar »

thfuran wrote: post #37
cjk2 wrote: post #15

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Yeah I tried copilot and it actually tried to gaslight me into changing the subject. If I want that I would speak to humans. Incidentally I am 100% macOS now. Not because it’s good but because it’s least shit.

Eh. It forbids me from uninstalling a bunch of useless apps that come bundled. That's pretty shit.

…what on earth do you find you’re not able to remove?

Re: Microsoft set to unveil its vision for AI PCs

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Post by lolinder »

wyldfire wrote: post #40

I think it's weird that folks in this thread don't like the idea of having local AI features on laptops. This seems like a great opportunity to control one's own data and continue leveraging open source AI models. I've used Linux laptops for the past ~20 years almost and this seems like something that'll compete well with MacBooks. Only drawback is that all the ARM-based ecosystems seem less open but I can see Qualco…

I have ollama set up on a beefy desktop and it's a neat toy, but it's definitely not yet to the point of being useful enough that I'd want it bundled with the OS, and that's with the latest and greatest open source models running on a gaming rig. The kind of models Microsoft can reliably run locally on a typical PC are going to be pretty poor.

Re: Microsoft set to unveil its vision for AI PCs

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Post by wyldfire »

lolinder wrote: post #45
wyldfire wrote: post #40

I think it's weird that folks in this thread don't like the idea of having local AI features on laptops. This seems like a great opportunity to control one's own data and continue leveraging open source AI models. I've used Linux laptops for the past ~20 years almost and this seems like something that'll compete well with MacBooks. Only drawback is that all the ARM-based ecosystems seem less open but I can see Qualco…

I have ollama set up on a beefy desktop and it's a neat toy, but it's definitely not yet to the point of being useful enough that I'd want it bundled with the OS, and that's with the latest and greatest open source models running on a gaming rig. The kind of models Microsoft can reliably run locally on a typical PC are going to be pretty poor.

From what I understand, the NSP on these SoCs performs better on inferences than any other mobile GPU/neural engine. But yeah probably some very significant limitations when it comes to LLMs for this generation anyway.

Forget about whatever models Microsoft ships, put whatever ones you want on there.

Re: Microsoft set to unveil its vision for AI PCs

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Post by PKop »

wyldfire wrote: post #40

I think it's weird that folks in this thread don't like the idea of having local AI features on laptops. This seems like a great opportunity to control one's own data and continue leveraging open source AI models. I've used Linux laptops for the past ~20 years almost and this seems like something that'll compete well with MacBooks. Only drawback is that all the ARM-based ecosystems seem less open but I can see Qualco…

I think it's weird that folx find anything useful about these gimmicky toy "AI's" that make up nonsense and get in the way of using your computer; why would you want these things injected into every nook and cranny of your operating system?

Re: Microsoft set to unveil its vision for AI PCs

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Post by PKop »

wyldfire wrote: post #46
lolinder wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have ollama set up on a beefy desktop and it's a neat toy, but it's definitely not yet to the point of being useful enough that I'd want it bundled with the OS, and that's with the latest and greatest open source models running on a gaming rig. The kind of models Microsoft can reliably run locally on a typical PC are going to be pretty poor.

From what I understand, the NSP on these SoCs performs better on inferences than any other mobile GPU/neural engine. But yeah probably some very significant limitations when it comes to LLMs for this generation anyway. Forget about whatever models Microsoft ships, put whatever ones you want on there.

To do what with them? How about not putting any of them on there? Doesn't chatting with bots get boring very quickly?

Re: Microsoft set to unveil its vision for AI PCs

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Post by rsynnott »

firefoxd wrote: post #22

The current trend is butt-in driven operations. For every action you are already familiar with, and have performed several times, copilot butts in to show you an annoying way to do it with copilot. But first create a Microsoft account. This reminds of google plus. When Google was pushing really hard for it, if you clicked 7 times on the internet, you will find that you just created a google+ account.

So, I haven’t had the pleasure of using the thing, but, kind of sounds like the revenge of the dread talking paperclip.

Re: Microsoft set to unveil its vision for AI PCs

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Post by rsynnott »

beoberha wrote: post #23
cjk2 wrote: post #12

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That’s exactly it. Nothing really improves my life in this fad. The promises are not matching with reality and the sacrifices made everywhere else (quality, reliability, security) is where we are paying.

I work for Microsoft and obviously my opinions are my own, but I am pretty underwhelmed by all the Copilots. Besides Teams meeting summarization, they are all pretty worthless. I’ve never understood text generation in Word or Outlook. Anything worth saying requires a ton of detail that you have to type into the prompt and then lose in the context of generation.

> Besides Teams meeting summarization, they are all pretty worthless.

Wait, does that actually work? I’ve only experienced the Zoom one, which, while occasionally quite _funny_, is not what you’d call useful.

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