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I'm tired of "AI" products wrapped over and selling at high rates

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Re: I'm tired of "AI" products wrapped over and selling at high rates

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I think wrappers are fine if they add meaningful value. It does seem that mostly you’re getting charged for a little prompt engineering and a UI skin.

I’d personally like to see a good wrapper for autonomous LLM coding. Nothing we have yet quite fits the bill, IMO.

Re: I'm tired of "AI" products wrapped over and selling at high rates

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The hype cycle repeats again this time with AI. There will be a lot of noise and fury (after blockchain, nocode, big data, cloud etc etc). The good part is that consumers will vote with their attention and wallets. Only the products that bring real value based on non trivial insights into specific markets will survive. The rest will slowly die off and be forgotten. Also a lot of the VC money just ends up going back t…

> The hype cycle repeats again this time with AI. There will be a lot of noise and fury (after blockchain, nocode, big data, cloud etc etc). It's often literally the same people who were riding the last hype cycle, too. The guys behind the Rabbit R1 AI wearable were NFT metaverse grifters before they became AI grifters, for example. All the annoying tech influencers who wanted you to subscribe to their blockchain new…

Who are some noticeable examples?

Re: I'm tired of "AI" products wrapped over and selling at high rates

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post #9

This is the result of the last decade or so where SAAS has become very lucrative and barrier to entry is almost nil with some many tools to quickly build something. AI is just more fuel on that existing fire. Everyone and their mothers are building a "SAAS" these days. Interesting, now I see all these gurus either selling courses on starting SAAS or selling "boilerplates". AI is great but this is a side effect of it.…

Well the boilerplates like Laravel are incredible. Skip writing your payment processing, your user management, usage billing, email templates and skip right to the business logic you are selling

I consider Laravel to be a framework. Boilerplates are another wrapper on top of frameworks . For example, there is Laravel Spark which is a boilerplate on top of Laravel. I tried it and it was so bloated and complex to actually change things for your own use case, I dropped it. Many more like that in other ecosystems. Not saying it doesn't work for others but nowadays there are too many people selling boilerplates who have never really built production grade application for at least a decade.

Re: I'm tired of "AI" products wrapped over and selling at high rates

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Well the boilerplates like Laravel are incredible. Skip writing your payment processing, your user management, usage billing, email templates and skip right to the business logic you are selling

I consider Laravel to be a framework. Boilerplates are another wrapper on top of frameworks . For example, there is Laravel Spark which is a boilerplate on top of Laravel. I tried it and it was so bloated and complex to actually change things for your own use case, I dropped it. Many more like that in other ecosystems. Not saying it doesn't work for others but nowadays there are too many people selling boilerplates w…

Well even laravel itself approaches it for us. Its a great ecosystem with a lot of packages built for SaaS products like tenancy or even like sms alert channels. Just random stuff. Only occasionally have I had to write our own you know, boilerplate

Re: I'm tired of "AI" products wrapped over and selling at high rates

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I am noticing the same thing in recruiter messages via LinkedIn. "Hi! I'm with turd.ai! We are revolutionizing the toilet industry using chatbots! We have $80m in funding from a16z and can offer up to $275k for the right candidate!"

It's nuts, the absolute dumbest-sounding ideas (to me at least), with "ai" slapped into the description somewhere, just totally flush with cash for no other reason than they are riding the hype train. Do the folks writing the checks even look into these things?

Re: I'm tired of "AI" products wrapped over and selling at high rates

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The root problem is that there is no good way to bill a modest surcharge on top of OpenAI etc. usage costs. GPT store monetization (if they ever get around to it) would be a partial solution. But anything that depends heavily on LLM's, but provides a UI layer or integrations is just stuck with a complex and expensive subscription or credits system - even if the vendor wants to give away a free service, they can't just subsidize OpenAI credits for the world. The cloud and mobile appstores created ecosystems for third party developers, viable for both small value add utilities and major apps. The LLM world has yet to do that.

Re: I'm tired of "AI" products wrapped over and selling at high rates

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I am noticing the same thing in recruiter messages via LinkedIn. "Hi! I'm with turd.ai! We are revolutionizing the toilet industry using chatbots! We have $80m in funding from a16z and can offer up to $275k for the right candidate!" It's nuts, the absolute dumbest-sounding ideas (to me at least), with "ai" slapped into the description somewhere, just totally flush with cash for no other reason than they are riding th…

I agree to this. I think VC backed ones just want to make a quick bank...
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