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Re: Microsoft set to unveil its vision for AI PCs

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Post by lozenge »

beoberha wrote: post #23
cjk2 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s exactly it. Nothing really improves my life in this fad. The promises are not matching with reality and the sacrifices made everywhere else (quality, reliability, security) is where we are paying.

I work for Microsoft and obviously my opinions are my own, but I am pretty underwhelmed by all the Copilots. Besides Teams meeting summarization, they are all pretty worthless. I’ve never understood text generation in Word or Outlook. Anything worth saying requires a ton of detail that you have to type into the prompt and then lose in the context of generation.

Ah, but you wrote a comment that was cogent.

My colleague who can't do that due to dyslexia is relieved when the AI can rephrase him to sound "fancy". As kids move their communication from keyboards to touch keyboards, I think this will become more common.

Re: Microsoft set to unveil its vision for AI PCs

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Post by jmrm »

trustno2 wrote: post #2

I want Microsoft Azure Bing Copilot everywhere. In start, in browser, in command prompt, in Excel, in XBox Live

It would be fun to use in an Excel cell '=COPILOT("Percentage of profits variability of this asset knowing YoY price changes on raw materials analysed in sheet 'Materials costs'"), and watching it converting in a complex formula

Re: Microsoft set to unveil its vision for AI PCs

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Post by dagmx »

JonChesterfield wrote: post #10

The current qualcomm arm laptops seem to be slower than x64 with worse power consumption. I'm not totally clear what went wrong there, some articles thought scaling mobile phone chips up to laptop wattage was harder than expected. There doesn't seem to be anyone else (other than apple) attempting it, maybe this will be the year. I'm excited about the next set of APU chips from AMD, curious to see if they get much att…

The reason they’re slower is they’re not really “scaled up” in any meaningful way just yet.

They’re still currently just the Snapdragon 8cx processors which are marginal boosts to the Snapdragon 8 mobile series.

The Snapdragon X series should push them into more competitive territory against x86_64, though it lags considerably behind Apple’s latest offering.

Re: Microsoft set to unveil its vision for AI PCs

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Post by 1oooqooq »

TechRemarker wrote: post #30
righthand wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

MacOS is pretty clownish, if you think Apple isn’t using your data for advertisers when you use their services on their OS I have a bridge to sell you. MacOS also has things like Gatekeeper that play off of FUD as a security feature. The fact that Apple will gladly send your iCloud backups to the feds as well I wouldn’t call it a platform that is exclusive to modern bs.

People love to find every any any cracks in Apple. Apple notes right on their site what data they share: https://www.apple.com/legal/privacy/en-ww/#accordion-label-5... . If Apple was lying, and sharing any additional data to advertisers, with privacy a pillar of their whole company, people who have uncovered that, and would be breaking news on every single news site. In regards to to "glady" sharing backups to the f…

to "use" macos and ios you hit Agree on so many agreements that it's hard to even keep track. so i will doubt a single page covers them all.

Re: Microsoft set to unveil its vision for AI PCs

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Post by JonChesterfield »

dagmx wrote: post #34
JonChesterfield wrote: post #10

The current qualcomm arm laptops seem to be slower than x64 with worse power consumption. I'm not totally clear what went wrong there, some articles thought scaling mobile phone chips up to laptop wattage was harder than expected. There doesn't seem to be anyone else (other than apple) attempting it, maybe this will be the year. I'm excited about the next set of APU chips from AMD, curious to see if they get much att…

The reason they’re slower is they’re not really “scaled up” in any meaningful way just yet. They’re still currently just the Snapdragon 8cx processors which are marginal boosts to the Snapdragon 8 mobile series. The Snapdragon X series should push them into more competitive territory against x86_64, though it lags considerably behind Apple’s latest offering.

Slower seems totally legitimate, it's slower with worse power consumption that seems out of place. Taking a CPU from a phone totally unchanged and connecting it to a much larger battery in a laptop should be good for multiple days of life, yet somehow that's not at all what exists on the market.

Re: Microsoft set to unveil its vision for AI PCs

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Post by thfuran »

cjk2 wrote: post #15
mrangle wrote: post #14

The "AI" isn't even good. Please don't force integrate more bad features. I don't need an unavoidable assistant that hallucinates, ignores me, and otherwise can't follow instructions. How about first making a serious adult home OS in 2024 that isn't a data mining farm, security nightmare, and enthusiastic surveillance portal. What we now have is clownish outside of MacOS, server OSs, or a lot of finagling. The lack o…

Yeah I tried copilot and it actually tried to gaslight me into changing the subject. If I want that I would speak to humans. Incidentally I am 100% macOS now. Not because it’s good but because it’s least shit.

Eh. It forbids me from uninstalling a bunch of useless apps that come bundled. That's pretty shit.

Re: Microsoft set to unveil its vision for AI PCs

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Post by beoberha »

lozenge wrote: post #31
beoberha wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I work for Microsoft and obviously my opinions are my own, but I am pretty underwhelmed by all the Copilots. Besides Teams meeting summarization, they are all pretty worthless. I’ve never understood text generation in Word or Outlook. Anything worth saying requires a ton of detail that you have to type into the prompt and then lose in the context of generation.

Ah, but you wrote a comment that was cogent. My colleague who can't do that due to dyslexia is relieved when the AI can rephrase him to sound "fancy". As kids move their communication from keyboards to touch keyboards, I think this will become more common.

Yes please take my comment with a huge grain of salt. I’ve seen massive communication benefits for people with disabilities and people who are not native speakers

Re: Microsoft set to unveil its vision for AI PCs

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Post by wyldfire »

I think it's weird that folks in this thread don't like the idea of having local AI features on laptops.

This seems like a great opportunity to control one's own data and continue leveraging open source AI models.

I've used Linux laptops for the past ~20 years almost and this seems like something that'll compete well with MacBooks.

Only drawback is that all the ARM-based ecosystems seem less open but I can see Qualcomm is engaging with folks like Canonical and I'm optimistic I can get a Linux version of one of these.

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