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Re: Jike: The obscure social media app beloved by China's tech scene

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As others have pointed out, the answer is moderation. High quality, diligent moderation. Reddit is the ultimate proof of this. A highly moderated, focused subreddit can be a wonderful place. A loosely moderated subreddit quickly devolves into memes and lowest common denominator posts, which is totally fine for specific subjects, or even meme-based subreddits for a given topic. If you want quality, you have to invest…

Honestly I think subreddits go bad after about 150k no matter what the moderation.

Subreddit numbers have got to be bs and inflated now adays. 800k people in the community and five new posts a day the highest with a couple hundred votes. Seems legit.

Re: Jike: The obscure social media app beloved by China's tech scene

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The scale of the moderation required may need more than volunteer labor.

Maybe but the population itself becomes retarded past a certain point. All the really really big subreddits are well moderated, cordial, etc and nonetheless full of complete philistines with no taste.

I’d guess when you consider all the people who have the free time to sit down on a site like reddit and post and comment, they are probably like 12 years old on average.

Re: Jike: The obscure social media app beloved by China's tech scene

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> Hard to follow someone, hard to chat Maybe that's one reason why you have such great quality time here. I think the problem about social medias is that people have flaws, and social medias puts a great focus on individual people, exposing their good side as well as flawed side. But, most people are not well-trained to handle such level of influence (including being influenced as well as to influence the others), an…

Yes, but… there were a half-dozen people here whose comments I alway enjoyed for the deep and nuanced perspective. I haven’t seen them in a few years now, sadly. Maybe some light-touch people focus would be a nice compromise. Like, highlight the discussion where my favorite people participate? That could avoid the bandwagon effect. I dunno, maybe not.

Hn is powerful you can follow an individual users replies across the site via an rss feed. Get literally pinged when accountyoulike comments.

Re: Jike: The obscure social media app beloved by China's tech scene

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I believe the site is: http://okjike.com/ (?) I tried signing up - couldn’t get pass the sms verification - I am in some European country.

god, even the chinese use that atrocious art style now. owari da

I don’t see any weirdly proportioned flat giant people. Where do you see that?

Re: Jike: The obscure social media app beloved by China's tech scene

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This isn’t a reasonable critique of the unpaid moderation model — the same model we’ve had since long before Reddit. Reddit has had several notable high quality subreddits entirely because of user moderation, and is able to host niche interest communities. I can’t think of a realistic business justification for a paid moderator to curate forums for some of my incredibly niche hobbies. These were formerly hosted on di…

I didn't see good moderation anywhere on reddit. From 2012-2023, nothing close to dang and I'm being generous with my criteria for moderation. Okayish for 'free' perhaps

What is “good moderation” to you is bad moderation to someone else. It’s entirely subjective.

“Bad moderation” complaints vary widely. Without elaboration, a person complaining about it gets lumped in with people also complaining about:

- “I was banned” (and the community didn’t like the behavior)

- “I used language that should be allowed” (that offended the community and automod removed it)

Re: Jike: The obscure social media app beloved by China's tech scene

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god, even the chinese use that atrocious art style now. owari da

I don’t see any weirdly proportioned flat giant people. Where do you see that?

they aren't visible on on a small screen, but they're there

https://static.codefuture.top/jike-site/bg2.png

Re: Jike: The obscure social media app beloved by China's tech scene

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Every guild or community should have a high quality discussion forum like hackernews. But assuming you can translate the learnings from Hackernews to another platform, how exactly would you ensure high quality?

Do not have a business that relies on "growth & engagement".

The problems of large-scale social media are all due to them making money from "engagement" - it doesn't matter how disruptive someone is, they are "engaging" and producing content that others will "engage" with. Bonus points that harmful and divisive content tends to produce more engagement (from others being angry and arguing) than constructive content, so there's this perverse incentive where they have to pretend to forbid such content but often look the other way when it's posted up to a certain threshold (there's probably a formula that calculates the "optimal" exposure time for harmful/divisive content that maximizes engagement while not letting it stay too long for the media to get wind of it and cause a PR/regulatory issue).

Given the above, it's no surprise that any large-scale social media platform eventually devolves into a cesspit. The "moderation" they have is purely there to placate regulators but its actual quality is terrible, both in terms of false positives but also false negatives because investing into good moderation would be bad for business for 2 reasons: 1) it costs money and 2) it would catch a lot more harmful/divisive content that currently generates plenty of engagement. Being a cesspit is actually profitable as long as your competition is also a cesspit (which it will be as long as it has the same business model and incentives).

If your business model doesn't depend on engagement, then you can be much more selective and restrictive in the types of content you allow, and make rule breaking more costly (you can even charge for accounts which would make permanent bans cost more than just a new e-mail address). Encouraging quality over quantity also means there's overall less work for the human moderators.

Moderation is not some impossible problem despite what the large-scale social media platforms say. It's only impossible if you intentionally open the floodgates and encourage everyone to piss in the stream. But you don't have to open the floodgates. You can encourage quality over quantity and make it costly to break the rules. The reason HN works isn't because they have some secret sauce, it's just that they would rather have no content than bad content, while every social media website out there would rather have bad content than none at all.

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