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Big Tech to EU: "Drop Dead"

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Re: Big Tech to EU: "Drop Dead"

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Post by ahzhou »

_the_inflator wrote: post #3

Very valid points. In my view they miss the mark however. Blaming Apple for optimizing their platform model isn’t the problem, it became a problem. Imagine 2007 and the following years already with the EU act in full effect. AppStore would be dead on arrival. In my view Apple’s AppStore went from feature some people have when they buy a smartphone to necessity. 2007 and even 2016 was a perfect time to opt for a live…

> AppStore would be dead on arrival

Certainly not. PMF was already established via the jailbreaking scene and Installer.app / Cydia. Millions of people went through the annoying processing of jailbreaking their phone to get apps.

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Post by [deleted] »

candiodari wrote: post #258
wizzwizz4 wrote: post #253

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Edit: This comment is wrong. I mixed up the EEC (direct predecessor to the European Union) and the EEA (like the EU, except it has Iceland, Norway and Liechtenstein). > used to be named "The European Union of Coal and Steel producers", and hasn't forgotten The “European Coal and Steel Community” predates the European Economic Community, which it was separate from until the 1967 merger (a decade after the EEC was foun…

This is the internet. DON'T trust anything I've written. Look it up. You started well, missed the point that the EU commission is extremely capitalistic, protecting "their" own market, pro-immigration TO DEPRESS WAGES (not for any other reason), using money for policy targets, pro-free-trade otherwise (ie. when it comes to anyone but themselves), and generally extremely capitalistic in the usual deceitful way ... As…

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Post by viraptor »

redeeman wrote: post #257
viraptor wrote: post #24

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Right, get rid of their 2nd largest market, at size ~⅔ of the US one. Yes, that will definitely show the EU who's the boss. /s

you seriously think the people of EU will accept policies that makes apple leave? the government will lose. People must have their retarded icrap and facebook, its the sedation the governments need to do all the crap they do. take their facebook away and they will dissolve the governments in 1 second

No, I'm saying Apple will not quit the market, because Europe provides too large portion of its revenue. None of the FAANG level companies will quit. Not only that, given the fun of the Brussels effect, in a while the US market will get similar benefits to the EU rules. (After Apple gets tired of acting grumpy and announces it as a positive thing, like they did with RCS)

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Post by rowanG077 »

brg wrote: post #7
rowanG077 wrote: post #4

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> AppStore would be dead on arrival. Yes, exactly! That's the point. The mobile ecosystem would look heaps better without it.

We have the world without it available for inspection. The Android ecosystem is a shambling mess compared to the quality that is availabe in the Apple Playstore. It does look heaps better on many dimensions.

I don't really see a difference in quality between the two. There is bottom feeding trash in both.

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Post by [deleted] »

groestl wrote: post #122
frizlab wrote: post #96

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And yet they did and still allow google analytics to exist while it not being GDPR compliant.

Well, Google Analytics actually forbids it's users to send PII (sure, you can't avoid communicating the IP address as part of the request).

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Post by yau8edq12i »

mike_hearn wrote: post #232
yau8edq12i wrote: post #217

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I wasn't aware that "make decisions" meant exclusively "initiate legislation". You don't have to play coy, though: it is also middle school level knowledge that the parliament cannot formally initiate the legislative process. It's also written in the Wikipedia article I linked. > The European Parliament has legislative power in that the adoption of EU legislation normally requires its approval, and that of the Counci…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parliament In modern politics, and history, a parliament is a legislative body of government. The purpose of a parliament is to make decisions about what the law says. Something that cannot decide what the law is, is therefore not a parliament. The EU Parliament isn't really a parliament.

At first it was "making decisions", then it was "initiate legislation", and now it's "decide what the law is". It's tiring to argue against moving goal posts and bad faith. Besides, the first sentence of a Wikipedia article is not the ultimate, complete and exhaustive definition of what something is.

> Something that cannot decide what the law is

Good thing the EU parliament decides what the law is, then.

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Post by whamlastxmas »

RadiozRadioz wrote: post #189
ein0p wrote: post #34

I’m an Apple fan and I keep hundreds of thousands of dollars in Apple stock, and I still hope we at least get side loading out of all this. I do not believe this would be in any way detrimental to Apple - most people don’t give a shit. But for me and others like me it’d be pretty neat to do on my iPhone and iPad what I can already do on my Mac: install my own software that is not arbitrarily time limited.

This sounds like a bad idea for diversification unless you're extremely wealthy and have tens of hundreds of thousands in other things.

Probably an Apple employee that hasn’t vested

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Post by forgetfreeman »

olalonde wrote: post #248
forgetfreeman wrote: post #101

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This assumes Apple has something to offer the Chinese market that it incumbents aren't already providing. I'm skeptical.

The iPhone is already the best selling phone in China...

Yeah? Where's it manufactured?

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Post by DeathArrow »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #149
Animats wrote: post #129

The EU is also grinding forward towards classifying all gig workers controlled by "platforms" as employees, with the platform subject to all employment laws. See "Improving working conditions of persons working through digital labour platforms "[1] Background: [2] Last vote in the European parliament: 554 votes in favour, 56 votes against and 24 abstentions. This is somewhat weakened but still stronger than anything…

Uber should be worried, but also because they are no longer cheaper than the established competition (taxis) that already had the labour laws in place.

Where I live taxis are generally cheaper than Uber and other ride sharing services. So I tend to avoid ride sharing. The fact that there is an app used by many taxi companies also helps.

Even if the price is the same I rather get a cab because taxi industry is heavily regulated and they have to respect a lot of rules as opposed to ride sharing. And I rather have most of the money stay in the local economy.

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Post by DeathArrow »

pas wrote: post #246
NoboruWataya wrote: post #201

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I would like this to be true - that the big US tech companies leaving Europe would prompt Europeans to realise they never needed them in the first place, and either turn to local, privacy-respecting (maybe even open source) alternatives or just get their heads out of their phones altogether. But a lot of Europeans are obsessed with these platforms and would probably be extremely pissed off if they lost access to them…

well, not like the platforms currently promote European values :/

What are those European values and why should bussineses promote them?
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