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Is artificial consciousness achievable? Lessons from the human brain

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Re: Is artificial consciousness achievable? Lessons from the human brain

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Post by grishka »

codetrotter wrote: post #14
grishka wrote: post #10

For all we know, it might be that consciousness is not fully contained in the physical structure of the brain. It might as well be something that partially exists on another layer of reality we have no idea about yet.

True. Which leads one to wonder, could those same kinds of consciousness that inhabit us also be capable of inhabit an AI. Or even, could there be other kinds of consciousnesses in those or other dimensions that are not currently able to exist on earth because there doesn’t exist anything yet that they are able to inhabit. But that our computers would eventually, when we arrive at some specific combination of hardwar…

Is it still an "artificial" intelligence if it's made with real consciousness, though?

Re: Is artificial consciousness achievable? Lessons from the human brain

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Post by neverokay »

Dibby053 wrote: post #18

So far, the concept of consciousness is basically metaphysics. It doesn't have a role, it can't be measured... If I may suggest a starting point to get over this hurdle: let's create a "consciousness captcha": some task that is easy for conscious beings, but hard for algorithms. Consciousness evolved, therefore it must have provided an advantage. We just have to find it.

Aren’t these things supposed to do automatic feature detection? Wouldn’t these models figure out consciousness as some hidden layer over time?

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Post by alex_duf »

seydor wrote: post #13
xvector wrote: post #6

I really do hope ASI gets us to gradual replacement-based uploading. Having something as glorious as sapience trapped in a delicate and temporary bag of flesh kinda sucks.

I m still conflicted what we do with the bag of flesh after the fact. Are we bag holding forever?

Something tells me the bag might change its mind about the whole operation once the upload is finished and it realises what's up next.

So yeah not sure I like the idea.

Re: Is artificial consciousness achievable? Lessons from the human brain

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Post by V__ »

Dibby053 wrote: post #18

So far, the concept of consciousness is basically metaphysics. It doesn't have a role, it can't be measured... If I may suggest a starting point to get over this hurdle: let's create a "consciousness captcha": some task that is easy for conscious beings, but hard for algorithms. Consciousness evolved, therefore it must have provided an advantage. We just have to find it.

> Consciousness evolved, therefore it must have provided an advantage

This is also my personal belief, but frankly, consciousness might just as well be some emergent 'side-product' property in all 'higher' intelligent beings.

Re: Is artificial consciousness achievable? Lessons from the human brain

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Post by exe34 »

strogonoff wrote: post #19
danielbln wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It might be a pink elefant that lives in the 7th dimension and contains every person's consciousness in the shape of a magic peanut. Or it may not.

Gödel’s incompleteness theorem says that pink elephants may indeed well exist.

no it doesn't.

Re: Is artificial consciousness achievable? Lessons from the human brain

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Post by Helmut10001 »

danielbln wrote: post #15
grishka wrote: post #10

For all we know, it might be that consciousness is not fully contained in the physical structure of the brain. It might as well be something that partially exists on another layer of reality we have no idea about yet.

It might be a pink elefant that lives in the 7th dimension and contains every person's consciousness in the shape of a magic peanut. Or it may not.

Once I asked a KI and this was the answer:

> In a parallel universe where pineapples are the dominant species, intergalactic pizza deliveries are made by flying spaghetti monsters riding unicycles made of marshmallows. Meanwhile, sentient clouds debate the meaning of life with philosophical penguins on top of rainbow-colored mountains made of bubblegum.

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Post by T-A »

grishka wrote: post #21
codetrotter wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

True. Which leads one to wonder, could those same kinds of consciousness that inhabit us also be capable of inhabit an AI. Or even, could there be other kinds of consciousnesses in those or other dimensions that are not currently able to exist on earth because there doesn’t exist anything yet that they are able to inhabit. But that our computers would eventually, when we arrive at some specific combination of hardwar…

Is it still an "artificial" intelligence if it's made with real consciousness, though?

Intelligence != consciousness

Re: Is artificial consciousness achievable? Lessons from the human brain

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Post by golf_mike »

ben_w wrote: post #12
hiAndrewQuinn wrote: post #3

We don't even know whether other human beings are conscious, man. The only thing which we might say with much certainty is that things which are more "like us" along some metric are more likely to be actually conscious, and things which are less "like us" are less likely to be so. Maybe everything is conscious. Maybe nothing except one's own self. But you'll never truly know one way or another, even if humanity inven…

I know that at least one other human is conscious, otherwise the term would never have been invented. But you have no way to tell if I am as conscious as I claim to be, or if I'm just a large language model trained by humanity :P

Can you provide proof for the first claim?

Re: Is artificial consciousness achievable? Lessons from the human brain

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Post by golf_mike »

Dibby053 wrote: post #18

So far, the concept of consciousness is basically metaphysics. It doesn't have a role, it can't be measured... If I may suggest a starting point to get over this hurdle: let's create a "consciousness captcha": some task that is easy for conscious beings, but hard for algorithms. Consciousness evolved, therefore it must have provided an advantage. We just have to find it.

How is that different from a turing test?

Re: Is artificial consciousness achievable? Lessons from the human brain

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Post by BriggyDwiggs42 »

grishka wrote: post #21
codetrotter wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

True. Which leads one to wonder, could those same kinds of consciousness that inhabit us also be capable of inhabit an AI. Or even, could there be other kinds of consciousnesses in those or other dimensions that are not currently able to exist on earth because there doesn’t exist anything yet that they are able to inhabit. But that our computers would eventually, when we arrive at some specific combination of hardwar…

Is it still an "artificial" intelligence if it's made with real consciousness, though?

Yeah
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