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Big Tech to EU: "Drop Dead"

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Re: Big Tech to EU: "Drop Dead"

#201

The EU will win this if they want. Their trump card is that, actually, making the EU not a viable market for the most annoying US tech companies would be a huge win for many of their constituents.

I would like this to be true - that the big US tech companies leaving Europe would prompt Europeans to realise they never needed them in the first place, and either turn to local, privacy-respecting (maybe even open source) alternatives or just get their heads out of their phones altogether. But a lot of Europeans are obsessed with these platforms and would probably be extremely pissed off if they lost access to them. It would probably materially increase Euroscepticism amongst certain demographics.

Re: Big Tech to EU: "Drop Dead"

#202

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I can vote for who decides things in the EU. I have no say in how Google, for example, does their business. I'm way too poor for that. I'd need literal billions of stock to get Satya Nadella's phone number =)

Good for you, I can’t and now I have to deal with endless pop ups about cookies.

As a European citizen, I am affected by plenty of American politics even though I can't vote.

Re: Big Tech to EU: "Drop Dead"

#203

I always scratch my head about articles that lump Meta, Apple, and Google together when it comes to regulations. They all have different problems that require different solutions. Apple - consumers give the company for hardware which is locked into a closed ecosystem. Apple extracts extra revenue by enforcing this closed ecosystem. There can be no competition other than not purchasing their hardware in the first plac…

> To be clear, these multi billion/trillion dollar companies don't need anyone defending them. However, it would be interesting to see what the EU's position would be if Meta started as an EU company.

I absolutely agree on this point. I do have the… bias, that in my formative years Apple was very much the plucky underdog in danger of bankruptcy.

This may be why I am less concerned about what Apple does. I am aware that, net, most people here very much disagree with my position that if you don't like Apple's software policies, you can simply not buy their hardware. (Indeed, they are priced such that many people who would actually like to have those things, cannot afford them).

Google and Facebook, however, are much harder to avoid — yes, you can in theory replace Gmail with Yahoo, Google.com with DuckDuckGo.com, Google Maps with OpenStreetMap, but people who try this report that it's harder than it seems to totally cut that particular cord.

Facebook Messenger is my only way to remain in contact with some people. I've stopped logging into the main site because their feed is, approximately: [real post from an actual connection but 75% chance I've already seen it on a previous visit, advert, list of people it thinks I might know but I don't, then a repeating pattern of {advert, 3 example posts from a group it thinks I might want to join but don't}].

But yeah, Apple aren't the plucky underdog any more.

Re: Big Tech to EU: "Drop Dead"

#204

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Bureaucracy. The EU is the European Union. 500 million humans. This legislation is a win for the common person. Trying to portray as foisted upon the public from on high = a propaganda twist too far.

So why not hold a referendum on it?

Because most people have little knowledge about the EU and are easily influenced. Direct democracy doesn't work well because of that if you ask me

Re: Big Tech to EU: "Drop Dead"

#205

> the eight-year-old General Data Protection Regulation Wow. It's actually only been enforced for six years but that time absolutely flew by.

Remember when local US companies with zero EU presence were geo-blocking EU visitors in-case they were found to be in-violation of the GDPR? Presumably the fear was a crack team of EU secret service agents would kidnap and illegally extradite them to stand trial in Brussels.

Oh dear you're going to trigger the pro EU crowd who don't like being told EU law doesn't apply in the US

Re: Big Tech to EU: "Drop Dead"

#206
There's a spectrum from a ban on all innovation on one end, to your car collecting data about your sex life and selling it to insurers without your consent or an option to opt out on the other end (the sex life bit was in Kia's privacy policy, along with things like trade union membership).

Personally, I think the EU is a lot closer to a sweet spot than the vision of the FAANG. Apple is an odd case as they're actually ok on user privacy as far as I can tell, they just want to milk their closed ecosystem as much as they can. The EU has some ideas I personally disagree with like the whole EIDAS article 45 thing, but if I had to pick between the EU and Meta's vision for the future, I'm much closer to the EU's one.

Re: Big Tech to EU: "Drop Dead"

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The EU Parliament can’t make decisions, it can only veto the commission which acts as an unelected government (nominated by elected representatives of each country). But I agree with you that this idea of an undemocratic EU is rather false and really dangerous. Everyone feels like this because nobody understands that the commission don’t represent the interests of their country but those of all the European countries…

The EU parliament can absolutely make decisions. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Parliament#Powers_and... This is middle school level knowledge...

Can it initiate legislation? Any examples of legislation that were drafted by meps?

Re: Big Tech to EU: "Drop Dead"

#208

Very valid points. In my view they miss the mark however. Blaming Apple for optimizing their platform model isn’t the problem, it became a problem. Imagine 2007 and the following years already with the EU act in full effect. AppStore would be dead on arrival. In my view Apple’s AppStore went from feature some people have when they buy a smartphone to necessity. 2007 and even 2016 was a perfect time to opt for a live…

The problem is not just the app store, it's the lack of sideloading, the fact that as a developer, you HAVE to go through the app store to have an iOS app at all. The fact that Apple forcibly inserts itself between you and your users and acts as if they had a role in you earning this relationship.

While in real life, app stores themselves hardly earn apps any users. Most of the time, people install an app thanks to the app developer's own marketing efforts.

If you want a real-world example of an app store on a platform where there are alternative methods of app distribution, just look at macOS. Same idea, same rules, but there is sideloading as an alternative. It turns out neither users nor developers are having any of it.

Re: Big Tech to EU: "Drop Dead"

#209

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So Apple preferring to reduce profit instead of complying to law? It will definitely be seen as a very bold move.

I have rarely seen a company go that far; Google did for a little bit, moving out of China because they refused to comply with their local laws... but a few years later they did anyway.

Is Google back in China then?

Re: Big Tech to EU: "Drop Dead"

#210

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You are taking the side of a 3 trillion dollor consumer goods company's bottom line, rather than 500 million people's right to choice and privacy. You do realise that, don't you?

The EU's biggest money maker is enacting laws that can be used to sue American tech companies.

Not true, member state's contributions are the largest "money maker": https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/policies/financing-the-eu...
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