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Cyber Security: A pre-war reality check

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Re: Cyber Security: A pre-war reality check

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> Change Healthcare has lost $872M since it was attacked in February. The question is, what is the cost to secure? I've been in so many meetings where the cost of security is 10-15x the cost of a breach. It's horrifying.

Part of this is that nobody has cared about security since the beginning, for basically anything in tech. It’s an industry-wide issue that permeates every level of the stack. And so yeah, individual companies trying to retrofit security onto a jenga tower of technology is going to have to spend a ridiculous amount of resources to have any kind of impact. I don’t know what the answer is, but I too believe things won’t…

> Part of this is that nobody has cared about security since the beginning, for basically anything in tech.

> It’s an industry-wide issue that permeates every level of the stack.

Can you explain? I don't understand. Here's my take.

Let's start from the bottom of the stack. CPU has some good security protections. They have ways to ensure that boot code is signed. They have hardware protection for memory. They have memory encryption to isolate VMs. They have many amazing security technologies. I can run VM inaccessible by host.

Let's move to OS. Well, there's lot of security stuff in any OS. Process isolation, namespace isolation, encrypted storage.

Next level is container orchestrator which happens to be Kubernetes these days. Again, there's lots of security stuff there. Built-in and add-ons. Everything is authenticated with cryptography. Many ways to implement very granular secret sharing. Secret stuff is encrypted in-rest.

Next level is application framework. Can't tell for every framework, but all frameworks I've seen so far was quite security-cautious. They try to safeguard known security issues (like SQL injections), they make it easy to add security layers on top, and so on.

Nobody cared about security in 1984, I guess. That's not the case anymore. Everyone cares about security. May be there's still space for improvement.

The only people who don't care about security are end-users. They don't even know what security is. They don't care about their passwords. They don't care about sharing their access. They don't care to check domain before typing password.

Also some application developers don't care much about security, that I admit. But that's not the every level of the stack. That's the last level of the stack.

Re: Cyber Security: A pre-war reality check

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One reason, is probably because retrofitting security is a freaking nightmare . In my opinion, security (as well as Quality, and things like error handling, accessibility, and localization) is something that needs to be planned and implemented, from Day One. Do a better job from the start, and the cost will drop like a stone.

Nobody implements security from day 1 because it's not some one time cost. It is an ongoing, continuous cost you pay for the system to exist. People build walled garden security models because security imposes a pretty large operational cost on everything else.

I’ve found that there’s quite a few things that you can do, from the start, that make implementing security measures later, a lot easier.

Think of it as a “pegboard.” It has a bunch of holes to hook things onto. You make sure to brace it well, and use good masonite. That way, you may not know exactly what you’re going to hang on it, but you have a good infrastructure for it.

Re: Cyber Security: A pre-war reality check

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It is history, maybe read about USSR invasion of Czechoslovakia and Romania refusing to participate and condemning the fact that USSR is tring to force their will on other communist states. It was not enough that USSR forced communism in eastern Europe, they really wanted Moscow to control everything, no different communist approaches were allowed since Moscowites know better what other countries should do. So Romani…

The USSR invasion of Romania? That's insane revisionism. Who, exactly, started the invasion? Like you realize the Romanians were literally guarding the front of the Germans at Stalingrad? Maybe Romania should've have invaded the Soviet Union with Germany?

Do you understand cause and effect, before Romania allied with Germany, guess who was allied with Germany ?

Yes USSR, and guess what happened? Stalin and Hitler had a deal where Ruzzians were given parts of Romania.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_occupation_of_Bessarabi...

So here is the impressive Ruzzian logic, show me your mental skills explaining it

USSR collaborates with Hitler and steals Romanian land, This is OK in Ruz logic

later Romania enters the war against the USSR thieves to get the land back, but this in Ruz logic is NOT OK.

So in Ruz logic, only Ruzzia can collaborate with Hitler, and Ruzzia can grab lands but other country is not allowed to recover lands grabbed by Ruzzians.

This is a shit logic, where the distance from A to B is not the same from B to A, it depends if A or B are Ruzzian or not, because Ruzzian logic is always relative to their interests and Satan given rights to them to bring suffering to the world and their own subjects.

Edit: IMO you have 2 choices,

1 keep suck on Putin propaganda that all of Ruzzia;s neighbors are gay, nazi, satanists that hate the straight, democratic, Christian, God Chosen people Rusky

or

2 the hard choce, where you need to do a bit of effort, just be open for new info, ask me about why we entered NATO, try to understand our point of view even if you dissagree, understanding your neighbors (or maybe your enemies, future victims) is important

Re: Cyber Security: A pre-war reality check

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Some of us don’t believe in fair-weather democracy. If they can run a poll, they can run an election. Ukrainians have the right to decide their own future, don’t you think? Or perhaps some are afraid that they might vote “wrong”?

A 30 second conversation with any Ukrainian living in Ukraine right now would clear this confusion up for you. Not getting people needlessly killed is awfully high up on the priority list. If you think Russia is above bombing polling places, you'd be wrong.

The Ukrainian stamps in my passport suggest I’ve spent more than 30 seconds talking with them…

Re: Cyber Security: A pre-war reality check

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Ukraine will no longer be democratic come May 21st, unfortunately. https://www.economist.com/leaders/2024/05/16/volodymyr-zelen...

Then I have "good" news for you: Ukraine is at war and so doesn't have to, and isn't even allowed to hold elections. Neither did UK during WW2, so it's not that uncommon. "Scholars have stated that the Ukrainian constitution does not allow to hold national elections while martial law is in effect." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martial_law_in_Ukraine

It’s also in the Russian constitution that Putin basically gets to be president for life. Guess that makes it okay…

Re: Cyber Security: A pre-war reality check

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>Everything you outlined applies to US politics too :DD What? that Canada made an alliance with soem other neighbors so the evil USA would not invade them ?

> they think God gave them the right to dominate half of the world, they will tell it to my face that genocide my nation is not personal, it is geo politics This part could well apply to Americans.

>This part could well apply to Americans.

What about USA?

But honestly I never chat with an american that would claim that half of the world belongs to them and they are not sorry for the future genocides that they will have to do to achieve it.

Nice of you to confirm here for our HN community that what I said is true, Ruzz claim that God gave tehm half of the world to make a "sphere of influence" and that Moscowites are OK with genocides because is geo politics and not "personal"

Re: Cyber Security: A pre-war reality check

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A 30 second conversation with any Ukrainian living in Ukraine right now would clear this confusion up for you. Not getting people needlessly killed is awfully high up on the priority list. If you think Russia is above bombing polling places, you'd be wrong.

The Ukrainian stamps in my passport suggest I’ve spent more than 30 seconds talking with them…

Your comment suggests this was some time ago, since traveling to Ukraine after the invasion doesn't seem to be something most people would do.

I have plenty of Ukrainian colleagues, both still in and outside of Ukraine. Opinions differ a lot. There is only this truth:

1. Ukraine is at war

2. Martial Law helps a country at war

It's logical that governments take decisions that some people don't like. Martial Law is there to take quick, hard and possibly unpopular decisions. Ukraine as a country is trying to survive right now. Their martial law doesn't even allow elections!

Re: Cyber Security: A pre-war reality check

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Then I have "good" news for you: Ukraine is at war and so doesn't have to, and isn't even allowed to hold elections. Neither did UK during WW2, so it's not that uncommon. "Scholars have stated that the Ukrainian constitution does not allow to hold national elections while martial law is in effect." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martial_law_in_Ukraine

It’s also in the Russian constitution that Putin basically gets to be president for life. Guess that makes it okay…

A democratic institution making laws is very different than an undemocratic institution making laws.

Are you suggesting Ukraine wasn't democratic when that law was made?

And like stated somewhere else, UK did the same thing during WW2. So it's not that uncommon.

Re: Cyber Security: A pre-war reality check

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Is this right?

> the famous Stuxnet operation, where apparently the West was able to disable the ultracentrifuges used to create highly enriched uranium.

> And not only did they disable it, like the factory is down now, it tore itself to shreds physically.

Vs eg Wikipedia talks about the facility losing 10% of centrifuges slowing down the schedule of enrichments. (In https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuxnet#Natanz_nuclear_facilit...)

Re: Cyber Security: A pre-war reality check

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The Ukrainian stamps in my passport suggest I’ve spent more than 30 seconds talking with them…

Your comment suggests this was some time ago, since traveling to Ukraine after the invasion doesn't seem to be something most people would do. I have plenty of Ukrainian colleagues, both still in and outside of Ukraine. Opinions differ a lot. There is only this truth: 1. Ukraine is at war 2. Martial Law helps a country at war It's logical that governments take decisions that some people don't like. Martial Law is the…

Call me crazy, but I believe the Ukrainians themselves should get to make the hard decisions involving their lives and future.
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