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Big Tech to EU: "Drop Dead"

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Re: Big Tech to EU: "Drop Dead"

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post #13

The EU will win this if they want. Their trump card is that, actually, making the EU not a viable market for the most annoying US tech companies would be a huge win for many of their constituents.

Apple should play their Trump card and threaten to pull out of the EU. The EU would blink first because the public backlash would be career ending.

Career ending for who? People barely know who works in the EU apart from the council president

Re: Big Tech to EU: "Drop Dead"

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post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> AppStore would be dead on arrival. Yes, exactly! That's the point. The mobile ecosystem would look heaps better without it.

We have the world without it available for inspection. The Android ecosystem is a shambling mess compared to the quality that is availabe in the Apple Playstore. It does look heaps better on many dimensions.

You can search for a specific name on appstore and get mostly a screen of spam. I'm not sure where you see the quality difference.

Re: Big Tech to EU: "Drop Dead"

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post #13

The EU will win this if they want. Their trump card is that, actually, making the EU not a viable market for the most annoying US tech companies would be a huge win for many of their constituents.

Apple should play their Trump card and threaten to pull out of the EU. The EU would blink first because the public backlash would be career ending.

Right, get rid of their 2nd largest market, at size ~⅔ of the US one. Yes, that will definitely show the EU who's the boss. /s

Re: Big Tech to EU: "Drop Dead"

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post #13

The EU will win this if they want. Their trump card is that, actually, making the EU not a viable market for the most annoying US tech companies would be a huge win for many of their constituents.

Apple should play their Trump card and threaten to pull out of the EU. The EU would blink first because the public backlash would be career ending.

What? No, that is laughable. What would be career ending would be the massive reduction of income within Apple. That would end careers, and quickly change enough minds that they would change policies.

Re: Big Tech to EU: "Drop Dead"

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Pay or Okay is reasonable to some extent (depending on the amount).

Do European countries hold themselves and the local companies to the same standards, respect their citizens and their privacy rights?

I remember a French institution could not buy our product, because they had a contract with a local manufacturer. They explained to us that they are obliged to buy from this company, or otherwise go through a complicated process of explaining to the government AND the company why that company doesn’t meet their needs. Sounded absurd! They had to sort of get the permission of the competitor company!

Re: Big Tech to EU: "Drop Dead"

#27
post #13

The EU will win this if they want. Their trump card is that, actually, making the EU not a viable market for the most annoying US tech companies would be a huge win for many of their constituents.

Apple should play their Trump card and threaten to pull out of the EU. The EU would blink first because the public backlash would be career ending.

Yeah sure. Apple continue presence in Russia, paying fines and taxes there and comply with every murderous dictatorship demand. Like censoring political apps 2 years into full scale war.

Yet they'll pull out of EU. Sure.

Re: Big Tech to EU: "Drop Dead"

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I always scratch my head about articles that lump Meta, Apple, and Google together when it comes to regulations. They all have different problems that require different solutions.

Apple - consumers give the company for hardware which is locked into a closed ecosystem. Apple extracts extra revenue by enforcing this closed ecosystem. There can be no competition other than not purchasing their hardware in the first place.

Google - consumers sometimes give them money (for both hardware and services) which Google then uses to push their other products to the detriment of their competitors. Due to Google's size, the competition is at a massive disadvantage. Also, given that most consumers don't give them money, Google needs to make money off of their consumers and the most profitable method is to monetize PII.

Meta - consumers basically never give them money (excluding Oculus) so Meta needs to make money off of their consumers. The most profitable method is to monetize PII.

I have a little more sympathy for Google and Meta's situation as the EU wants them to maintain their free services while simultaneously reducing their ability to monetize their most valuable asset, consumers' PII (note that PII ultimately belongs to the consumer but it's still the thing that the companies use to make money). There needs to be some sort of happy medium here when people want something without paying for it but also don't want what's valuable about them being a user - their PII - to be monetized.

To be clear, these multi billion/trillion dollar companies don't need anyone defending them. However, it would be interesting to see what the EU's position would be if Meta started as an EU company.

Re: Big Tech to EU: "Drop Dead"

#29

I'm in favour of opening up platforms and interoperability, but not the GDPR. Maybe in this case, "an enemy is an enemy of a friend".

I feel the same. The GDPR appears super difficult to comply with, even impossible in some cases, and very restricting.

I just hope negative effects of (in my opinion) overregulation wont hurt the EUs economy too badly, but that wont be visible for another couple of decades

Re: Big Tech to EU: "Drop Dead"

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post #26

Pay or Okay is reasonable to some extent (depending on the amount). Do European countries hold themselves and the local companies to the same standards, respect their citizens and their privacy rights? I remember a French institution could not buy our product, because they had a contract with a local manufacturer. They explained to us that they are obliged to buy from this company, or otherwise go through a complicat…

> I remember a French institution could not buy our product, because they had a contract with a local manufacturer.

I doubt this is a EU thing. It's due to exclusive contracts/licenses. This happens everywhere?

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