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Gio UI – Cross-platform GUI for Go

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Post by tgeery »

wiseowise wrote: post #142
kernal wrote: post #124

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Quit spreading lies about Flutter. It’s one of the most popular cross platform development environments, if not THE most popular, out there and that’s not going to change anytime soon.

So what if it’s popular? It’s a revenue driver and majority of development is still made by Googlers, as far as I know. If tomorrow Google drops all development, who’s going to pick it up? Or in your opinion GitHub stars would prevent them from dropping it?

maybe Ubuntu? the web development flow (so closely tied to firebase) might suffer a little bit, but I imagine a fork for non-web env's would be quick and welcome

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Post by erik_seaberg »

paullgdc wrote: post #166
erik_seaberg wrote: post #160

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You can declare generic structs and generic functions, and get monomorphized copies (not erased to "any") of each function for all concrete types used. You can't look them up by reflection. You can't declare generic methods, and still can't overload methods by type.

> get monomorphized copies (not erased to "any") of each function for all concrete types used That's not exactly true. You get one concrete function for all generic pointer types for instance. Generic functions take a hidden paramater called a dictionnary, which is fairly similar to vtable, since it contains type information and pointers for all methods of the generic type that the function calls. So methods on gener…

Thanks, had not seen that before. It's odd that they came close to reimplementing method dispatch for builtin types, but didn't surface it for developers.

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Post by raminf »

bsaul wrote: post #2

A bit off-topic, but what's the best method to build cross-platform mobile & web apps nowadays ? I'm talking either business logic + UI , or just business logic ? like gomobile, rust, typescript, etc ? At some point i thought about using typescript for all business logic, as it seemed the most portable tech, but i realized there's no good way to have decent performance running javascript on iOS.

For mobile, this looks promising: https://skip.tools

Transpiles SwiftUI over to Kotlin/JetPack Compose. Native all the way down. Haven't used it in production, but the demos work and are native after going through XCode and Android Studio.

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Post by mrighele »

salomonk_mur wrote: post #73
38 wrote: post #55

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The one flutter website I have come across is an absolute piece of garbage. Completely destroys the ability to modify or even inspect the HTML source. See for yourself https://sunrisetv.ch/de/vod/1/details/vod/crid:~~2F~~2Fog.li...

Why would the ability to modify HTML matter at all? Most users don't even know what HTML is, much less how to open the dev console.

Regular users know how to install an extension that interacts with the DOM, though

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Post by ricardobeat »

mradonic wrote: post #24
ricardobeat wrote: post #19

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My team achieved better than native performance using RN when rewriting a very large iOS app. And that was in 2018, before Hermes and a lot of other optimizations. It takes some careful usage of requestIdleCallback and avoiding doing work in the UI thread but it is not rocket science. You do have to avoid a lot of the going advice and bloated libraries / frameworks though.

| better than native performance Maybe better than the native you had before the rewrite lol

“The app we had before” had 50M+ users, developed by a large iOS team, including a lot of experienced developers working on performance, and generating billions. I think it was a valid baseline.

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Post by igouy »

anthk wrote: post #109
andreygrehov wrote: post #95

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Heh. The "50 years ago" part was an intentional stretch to add more weight to how disappointed I am. But seriously, the first demo they presented is an immediate rejection.

Smalltalk wasn't that far ;)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40400572

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Post by quink »

bitvoid wrote: post #46
nitinreddy88 wrote: post #32

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First comment on that Reddit thread: --- Hey folks! Kevin, product manager on Flutter and Dart here. The layoffs were decided AT LEAST a couple of layers above our team and affected a LOT of teams. (I think I can say that). Lots of good folks got bad news and lots of great projects lost people. Flutter and Dart were not affected any more or less that others. It was a tough day...tough week. It was crazy to be seeing…

> You're betting on Flutter and Dart.

> So am I. So is Google.

RIP Dart and Flutter.

Re: Gio UI – Cross-platform GUI for Go

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Post by gjvc »

nitinreddy88 wrote: post #32
brabel wrote: post #7

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The best option is probably Flutter right now: https://flutter.dev/ If you don't mind writing the UI native, sharing only business logic code, Kotlin is an option: https://kotlinlang.org/docs/multiplatform.html#kotlin-multip... Kotlin also can do the UI if you use Compose: https://www.jetbrains.com/lp/compose-multiplatform/ ... however, iOS support is still in alpha, and Web is "experimental". If you're not willing t…

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I stopped trusting Google's judgement of products when they killed both Reader and Wave.

Re: Gio UI – Cross-platform GUI for Go

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Post by ricardobeat »

robterrell wrote: post #111
ricardobeat wrote: post #19

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My team achieved better than native performance using RN when rewriting a very large iOS app. And that was in 2018, before Hermes and a lot of other optimizations. It takes some careful usage of requestIdleCallback and avoiding doing work in the UI thread but it is not rocket science. You do have to avoid a lot of the going advice and bloated libraries / frameworks though.

> better than native performance using RN You had an app written natively in Objective-C or Swift, switched to single-threaded javascript React Native, and then your app ran faster?

Though JS is single-threaded, it only builds the render tree and is more than fast enough if you’re careful. RN has a separate UI thread for actual rendering, I/O is offloaded and extensions can use extra threads.

The largest bottleneck historically was the bridge between obj-c and js (now superseded by JSI), and not the speed of the engine itself.

Re: Gio UI – Cross-platform GUI for Go

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Post by marcusbuffett »

bsaul wrote: post #2

A bit off-topic, but what's the best method to build cross-platform mobile & web apps nowadays ? I'm talking either business logic + UI , or just business logic ? like gomobile, rust, typescript, etc ? At some point i thought about using typescript for all business logic, as it seemed the most portable tech, but i realized there's no good way to have decent performance running javascript on iOS.

I tried React Native, but ended up re-writing and going with SolidJS + Capacitor, and I love the setup. I've barely thought about performance since switching, people think the iOS/Android apps feel native, there's almost never any differences in behavior between the platforms, it's a fantastic setup for a solo dev.
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