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Re: Sam and Greg's response to OpenAI Safety researcher claims

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Post by behnamoh »

skepticATX wrote: post #2

Interesting that OpenAI has completely destroyed their reputation over the last year. For me, they've gone from an admirable company to cringe-worthy. I really think that the best outcome here is for OpenAI to collapse and get absorbed by Microsoft, where adults can continue some of the good work that is being overshadowed by ego and cult-like vibes.

> cult-like vibes.

What cult-like vibes? The OpenAI employees wanted Sam back because of financial reasons and peer pressure. Sam has learnt how to keep employees on leash via money.

Re: Sam and Greg's response to OpenAI Safety researcher claims

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Post by nodesocket »

behnamoh wrote: post #8

Any one noticed how Sam sometimes intentionally tries to attack his own work? For example, he has said GPT-2 was very bad, GPT-3 was bad, and GPT-4 is okay. He also fed the AI doomers by talking about AGI dangers and how the world needs to watch out for a future AI catastrophe. He just gives off the vibe of someone trying to act humble but I don't know how much of it is just an act and how much is real. I've never se…

Steve Jobs and Elon Musk called out their bad products, and notoriously berate employees for failures and producing what they view as substandard work. I however don’t put Sam in the same ballpark as Steve and Elon… At least yet.

Re: Sam and Greg's response to OpenAI Safety researcher claims

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Post by 123yawaworht456 »

behnamoh wrote: post #8

Any one noticed how Sam sometimes intentionally tries to attack his own work? For example, he has said GPT-2 was very bad, GPT-3 was bad, and GPT-4 is okay. He also fed the AI doomers by talking about AGI dangers and how the world needs to watch out for a future AI catastrophe. He just gives off the vibe of someone trying to act humble but I don't know how much of it is just an act and how much is real. I've never se…

he isn't dissing his own products - his products are safe and ethical. it's the pesky competitors who need to be regulated out of existence.

Re: Sam and Greg's response to OpenAI Safety researcher claims

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Post by aik »

skepticATX wrote: post #2

Interesting that OpenAI has completely destroyed their reputation over the last year. For me, they've gone from an admirable company to cringe-worthy. I really think that the best outcome here is for OpenAI to collapse and get absorbed by Microsoft, where adults can continue some of the good work that is being overshadowed by ego and cult-like vibes.

I think this perspective is probably only true for 0.001% of people that actually follow Sam closely and are not optimistic about AGI and like to throw their opinions around. The superficial stuff. The rest don’t care to even know who Sam is and don’t care to assume motive.

It’s very likely they’ll bounce back. I’d rather OpenAI continue to innovate and push the industry forward as they have been. Haven’t seen much of that from Microsoft, so heavily disagree with you there. Prefer to focus on the actual product of the company not the personalities of the people there or armchair assumptions on the vibes of the culture.

Re: Sam and Greg's response to OpenAI Safety researcher claims

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Post by grayhatter »

ctxc wrote: post #4
skepticATX wrote: post #2

Interesting that OpenAI has completely destroyed their reputation over the last year. For me, they've gone from an admirable company to cringe-worthy. I really think that the best outcome here is for OpenAI to collapse and get absorbed by Microsoft, where adults can continue some of the good work that is being overshadowed by ego and cult-like vibes.

I think the ego and cult-like atmosphere will lead to more growth (maybe not in the "right" direction but in the technical prowess direction) which offsets all criticism. And then the lines will cross over the break even point and be absorbed into Microsoft who proceeds to enjoy the lunch for the foreseeable future.

> (maybe not in the "right" direction but in the technical prowess direction) which offsets all criticism.

Are you sure about that? Maybe you would like to think a bit harder about what exactly offsets "all criticism"? Being very good at one thing doesn't absolve you from consequences of your other shitty actions.

Re: Sam and Greg's response to OpenAI Safety researcher claims

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Post by nodesocket »

camillomiller wrote: post #13

Why do we give this people credit by giving for granted that AGI is somehow magically around the corner? It is not, and everyone’s delusional.

I mean you have to think the people who are building it know a lot more than you do. If they are concerned so much so that they quitting and forfeiting millions of dollars there should be reason to be concerned.

Re: Sam and Greg's response to OpenAI Safety researcher claims

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Post by etrautmann »

nodesocket wrote: post #18
camillomiller wrote: post #13

Why do we give this people credit by giving for granted that AGI is somehow magically around the corner? It is not, and everyone’s delusional.

I mean you have to think the people who are building it know a lot more than you do. If they are concerned so much so that they quitting and forfeiting millions of dollars there should be reason to be concerned.

Not necessarily. There are plenty of reasonable perspectives on the current attitudes towards AI safety. Assuming that current employees have a secret they’re not sharing about what’s around the corner is just one of many reasonable possibilities.

Re: Sam and Greg's response to OpenAI Safety researcher claims

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Post by rafram »

aik wrote: post #16
skepticATX wrote: post #2

Interesting that OpenAI has completely destroyed their reputation over the last year. For me, they've gone from an admirable company to cringe-worthy. I really think that the best outcome here is for OpenAI to collapse and get absorbed by Microsoft, where adults can continue some of the good work that is being overshadowed by ego and cult-like vibes.

I think this perspective is probably only true for 0.001% of people that actually follow Sam closely and are not optimistic about AGI and like to throw their opinions around. The superficial stuff. The rest don’t care to even know who Sam is and don’t care to assume motive. It’s very likely they’ll bounce back. I’d rather OpenAI continue to innovate and push the industry forward as they have been. Haven’t seen much o…

> Haven’t seen much of that from Microsoft

Microsoft is the de facto controlling shareholder in OpenAI. They provide all the money, compute, and backing, and have full access to the models. If OpenAI collapsed tomorrow, Microsoft would absorb its key employees (as they almost did during the board debacle) and everything would continue under the Microsoft umbrella. “OpenAI” is just a shinier name for work that is being done under the near-total control of Microsoft.

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