This is how you know you're dealing with an evil tyrant.
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OpenAI departures: Why can’t former employees talk?
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#242Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why is extra respect due? That post just says he is leaving, there's no criticism.
I think you have to either log in to X or use a frontend if you want to read the entire thread. Here's a frontend https://nitter.poast.org/janleike/status/1791498174659715494
Ah, right. Thanks for link.
Re: OpenAI departures: Why can’t former employees talk?
#243Compared to what seemed like their original charter, with non-profit structure and all, now it seems like a rather poisonous place. They will have many successes in the short run, but, their long run future suddenly looks a little murky.
Similar points made here, if anyone is interested in signing: https://www.openailetter.org/
Re: OpenAI departures: Why can’t former employees talk?
#244Is this a legally enforceable suppression of free speech? If so, are there ways to be open about OpenAI, without triggering punitive action?
I believe a better solution to this would be to spread the following sentiment: "Since it's already illegal to tell disparaging lies, the mere existence of such a clause implies some disparaging truths to which the party is aware." Always assuming the worst around hidden information provides a strong incentive to be transparent.
That’s a really good point. A variation of the Streisand Effect.
Makes you wonder what misdeeds they’re trying so hard to hide.
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#245Extra respect is due to Jan Leike, then: https://x.com/janleike/status/1791498174659715494
At the end of the thread, he says he thinks OpenAI can "ship" the culture changes necessary for safety. That seems kind of implausible to me? So many safety staffers have quit over the past few years. If Jan really thought change was possible, why isn't he still working at OpenAI, trying to make it happen from the inside?
I think it may time for something like this: https://www.openailetter.org/
Re: OpenAI departures: Why can’t former employees talk?
#246Earlier quoted context omitted.
This doesn’t seem to fall inside the scope of that act, according to the link you cited: > ” The Silenced No More Act bans confidentiality provisions in settlement agreements relating to the disclosure of underlying factual information relating to any type of harassment, discrimination or retaliation at work”
Sounds like retaliation to me.
It's not retaliation at work if you're no longer working for them.
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#247Earlier quoted context omitted.
My initial reaction was "Hold up - your RSUs vest, you sell the shares and pocket the cash, you quit OpenAI, a few years later you disparage them, and then when? They somehow try and claw back the equity? How? At what value? There's no way this can work." Then I remembered that OpenAI "equity" doesn't take the form of an RSU or option or anything else that can be converted into an actual share ever. What they call "e…
Their profit is capped at $1T, which is amount no company has ever achieved.
No company? Are you sure? Aramco?
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#248So part of their compensation for working is equity, and when they leave thay have to sign an additional agreement in order to keep their previously earned compensation? How is this legal? Mine as well tell them they have to give all their money back too. What's the consideration for this contract?
In the past a lot of options would expire if you didn’t exercise them within eg. 90 days of leaving. And exercising could be really expensive. Speculation: maybe the options they earn when they work there have some provision like this. In return for the NDA the options get extended.
Options aren't vested equity though.
Re: OpenAI departures: Why can’t former employees talk?
#249This is how you know you're dealing with an evil tyrant.
Saw this comment suddenly move way down in the comment rankings. Somehow I only notice this happening on OpenAI threads:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38342850
My guess would be that YC founders like sama have some sort of special power to slap down comments that they feel are violating HN discussion guidelines.
Re: OpenAI departures: Why can’t former employees talk?
#250So part of their compensation for working is equity, and when they leave thay have to sign an additional agreement in order to keep their previously earned compensation? How is this legal? Mine as well tell them they have to give all their money back too. What's the consideration for this contract?
That OpenAI are institutionally unethical. That such a young company can be become rotten so quickly can only be due to leadership instruction or leadership failure.