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Re: Face opera

#101

Post by klausa »

antidoh wrote: post #98
klausa wrote: post #18

I'm really baffled by all those people saying that they will stop using Opera if FB acquires them. I mean - okay, If they start modifying it to send your data to Facebook without way to opt-out - sure, do that. If they start showing ads in fastmail and reading your mails - sure, that's reasonable. But I really think that doing that the moment FB acquires Opera would be quite an overreaction.

Why would FB buy Opera, except for scenarios similar or exactly like you list? If I'm a frog in a pot, and I see you turn on the gas, I'm jumping out, because I know ahead of time that it's going to get hot. By the time the water boils the (subjective) damage has already happened. Which is to say, I'll leave fastmail before the ink is dry on a FB/Opera deal.

You could say the same for Google - why would they need a browser?

Re: Face opera

#102

Post by Tomis02 »

sparkie wrote: post #91
Tomis02 wrote: post #33

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And vertical multi-column tabs! And good performance for 100+ tabs on single core CPU-s! And speed dial! And integrated email/RSS client! And trash can! And notes! And so many more. Then I might switch.

Don't miss tiling/cascading/resizing open tabs.

I also like the smooth zooming and "fit to witdth". And life without the session manager would be quite sad.

Re: Face opera

#103

Post by antidoh »

klausa wrote: post #101
antidoh wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would FB buy Opera, except for scenarios similar or exactly like you list? If I'm a frog in a pot, and I see you turn on the gas, I'm jumping out, because I know ahead of time that it's going to get hot. By the time the water boils the (subjective) damage has already happened. Which is to say, I'll leave fastmail before the ink is dry on a FB/Opera deal.

You could say the same for Google - why would they need a browser?

Aaannnnd ... I don't use their email except as a backup (a destination backup, not a place to backup my email). I don't use their browser, but that's mainly because I don't like it. The tinfoil fedora does chafe a bit when I do pop Chrome up.

Re: Face opera

#104

Post by mikeevans »

cateye wrote: post #30

The battle of the giants is really beginning: Apple, Microsoft, Facebook, Google and Amazon will be trying to define the future of the internet and they will have to attack each others core businesses to grow further. On several levels of the internet they all try to get a foot in: 1. Cloud: AWS, iCloud, Azure, Gdrive & App engine - Facebook hasn't got a storage or computation sollution 2. Social: Google+, Windows Li…

>Amazon doesn't have a social network

I'd argue they have a good amount of social data through purchases. Just because it doesn't involve posting pictures of your cat doesn't mean they don't have it.

Re: Face opera

#105

Post by dave1010uk »

Drbble wrote: post #45
dave1010uk wrote: post #32

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A year ago feature phones were being released with 1GHz processors [1]. I wouldn't say never. [1] http://www.gsmarena.com/1ghz_s40based_nokia_c3015_pictures_s...

What OS do they run? It's hard to imagine porting to another OS with insanely tiny marketshare and weird APIs. What is the app publishing ecosystem on these phones?

This phone runs Nokia's Series 40, which is running 1.5 billion phones - supposedly the largest mobile operating system. Perhaps this is a bad example though as S40 only runs Java ME & HTML5 apps. Still, I can easily see these feature phones running Firefox within a year. Firefox is, after all, open source.

Re: Face opera

#106

Post by shrikant »

jgroome wrote: post #85
cateye wrote: post #30

The battle of the giants is really beginning: Apple, Microsoft, Facebook, Google and Amazon will be trying to define the future of the internet and they will have to attack each others core businesses to grow further. On several levels of the internet they all try to get a foot in: 1. Cloud: AWS, iCloud, Azure, Gdrive & App engine - Facebook hasn't got a storage or computation sollution 2. Social: Google+, Windows Li…

> So, Facebook definitely needs a browser. Why?

Google made a browser so that Google products wouldn't be hindered by whatever the state of the browser market was. And Google was the Internet for lots of lay users.

Now since Facebook is the Internet for lots of lay users, I suppose they might use the same driving logic?

Re: Face opera

#107

Post by apawloski »

mikeevans wrote: post #104
cateye wrote: post #30

The battle of the giants is really beginning: Apple, Microsoft, Facebook, Google and Amazon will be trying to define the future of the internet and they will have to attack each others core businesses to grow further. On several levels of the internet they all try to get a foot in: 1. Cloud: AWS, iCloud, Azure, Gdrive & App engine - Facebook hasn't got a storage or computation sollution 2. Social: Google+, Windows Li…

>Amazon doesn't have a social network I'd argue they have a good amount of social data through purchases. Just because it doesn't involve posting pictures of your cat doesn't mean they don't have it.

I wonder if this is even more valuable (in terms of predictive power) than facebook's data. After all, the latter tries to predict buying behavior through adjacent information, while the former is, well, buying behavior.

Re: Face opera

#108

Post by tjoff »

apawloski wrote: post #88
tjoff wrote: post #84

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I don't see the relevance. Take dell: http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=book+value+amazon+dell If Dell were to be gone tomorrow, how would that affect you? Just barely, if you use Dell products you might switch to HP. End of story. If amazon goes away tomorrow (and assuming that people have had time to migrate to other services) that wouldn't affect people the slightest. Some users in the US would be mad that thei…

Is there anything I can show you to convince you otherwise? You make a lot of gut claims that I'm worried we're straying away from what can be conveniently falsifiable. In terms of your counterexample, perhaps a look at the historical growth of each: http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=amazon+dell+stock+price... . But I'd like to move away from Dell, because what I'm addressing is the notion that Amazon is not a "pl…

We probably just have different ideas of what it takes to "define the future of the internet".

Pretty much nothing that amazon does will ever affect me personally, nothing wrong with that - amazon aren't even trying to define future of the internet in my eyes.

If amazon as a hosting company tries to interfere with their customers you bet they will be abandoned ASAP, doesn't matter if amazon has the best web hosting service it's still the sites they host that matter for the future of the internet and amazon has no control what so ever over that - so how can that possibly matter in this context?

The first post talked about Silk as an example of Amazons influence, really? Opera alone really feels like a small player yet Opera has way more than ten times more active users than amazon has even sold Silk-capable devices. Opera are also active in the development of future web standards, which I doubt amazon are. Again, nothing wrong with that - it's just that amazon have an entirely different focus and thus I get quite confused when you talk about stock prices - what on earth is the relevance? Seems to me that even Opera work way more towards defining the future of the internet than amazon does (or want to do).

Re: Face opera

#109

Post by apawloski »

tjoff wrote: post #108
apawloski wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there anything I can show you to convince you otherwise? You make a lot of gut claims that I'm worried we're straying away from what can be conveniently falsifiable. In terms of your counterexample, perhaps a look at the historical growth of each: http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=amazon+dell+stock+price... . But I'd like to move away from Dell, because what I'm addressing is the notion that Amazon is not a "pl…

We probably just have different ideas of what it takes to "define the future of the internet". Pretty much nothing that amazon does will ever affect me personally, nothing wrong with that - amazon aren't even trying to define future of the internet in my eyes. If amazon as a hosting company tries to interfere with their customers you bet they will be abandoned ASAP, doesn't matter if amazon has the best web hosting s…

Well to be honest, I never tried to assert that Amazon was "defining the future of the internet." I was disagreeing with your point that Amazon shouldn't even be compared to Facebook, Apple, Google, or Microsoft. And to be fair, instead of noting Amazon's horizontal stretch, I pigeonholed myself talking about AWS (which by the way, is more than web hosting: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazon_Web_Services#List_of_AWS...)

Maybe it's just that we work in different contexts. For example, at least in my field, EC2 is the de facto scalable distributed computing provider. For most intents and purposes, Amazon is the cloud computing service. Web hosting is not unique, sure, but many of the other AWS products are. If Amazon disappeared tomorrow, there would be no equivalent for many of them.

I think my point boils down to this: just because you might not frequently see Amazon on your end does not mean they should be dismissed. They are an important part of the industry right now and are absolutely worth considering in the same breath as the others.

Re: Face opera

#110

Post by jarek »

dave1010uk wrote: post #105
Drbble wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What OS do they run? It's hard to imagine porting to another OS with insanely tiny marketshare and weird APIs. What is the app publishing ecosystem on these phones?

This phone runs Nokia's Series 40, which is running 1.5 billion phones - supposedly the largest mobile operating system. Perhaps this is a bad example though as S40 only runs Java ME & HTML5 apps. Still, I can easily see these feature phones running Firefox within a year. Firefox is, after all, open source.

Firefox on mobile is the new Linux on desktop... It's open source and you can see it being big next year, every year.
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