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Post by saagarjha »

diego_sandoval wrote: post #36
vasco wrote: post #16

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When graffiti is done on public owned objects or walls, it's impact is merely aesthetic. Not like a bank robbery. And I'd rather see graffiti, even if I find some ugly, than ads all over. And there's way more public ads anywhere than graffiti. I think local urban expressions like stickers and graffiti is pretty cool. The mainstream prefers ads I guess.

I don't think the reason that ads are allowed is because people prefer them. The reason is that whoever puts an ad does so on their own property. You don't put an ad on someone else's wall against their will. Graffiti, on the other hand, is usually done without authorization from the owner of the wall or facade being graffitied.

People do this all the time…

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Post by usrusr »

TallTales wrote: post #101
tsimionescu wrote: post #77

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Modifying someone else's property, or public property, without consent.

This is a fascinating comment. How would you define violence?

If I smash your car, is that violence or not? What if I take care to smash your car only so much that it will still be able carry you to work and back?

Re: Deutsche Bahn introduces "MetaWindow"

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Post by vasco »

buster wrote: post #100
tshaddox wrote: post #43

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Most houses in Germany are not covered in graffiti.

Except in Berlin. My house front is covered completely with ugly tags. Not even nice graffiti. My 2 year old can draw better.

> My 2 year old can draw better.

Seems like you got the idea. Give her some stencils and have some fun.

Re: Deutsche Bahn introduces "MetaWindow"

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Post by edejong »

umpalumpaaa wrote: post #9
lqet wrote: post #4

> a transparent noise barrier Most rail noise barriers in Germany are completely covered in graffiti [0], so I wouldn't expect them to remain transparent for more than a few weeks. [0] https://ga.de/imgs/93/8/5/9/3/0/9/1/9/tok_8596521c60eeaa53ee...

If you dive into the graffiti scene a bit you will start to appreciate all those graffitis. The story behind some of them is super interesting. There is a lot of "competition", "collaboration", and group dynamics involved. It is truly fascinating. I was living in Cologne (Ehrenfeld) for a while in a place with awesome graffiti and every weekend there were people taking pictures "collecting" and documenting the graffi…

If you dive into: [wine, jazz, modern art, craft beer, tennis, …] (pick one), you’d also appreciate it more.

Thing is, if I decide not to do that, the impact on my life is relatively minor. What gives graffiti artists the right to impose their personal predilection unto others?

In other words, given your reasoning, what’s stopping me from playing John Coltrane at 110dBA the whole day and night?

Re: Deutsche Bahn introduces "MetaWindow"

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Post by Thorrez »

vasco wrote: post #16
flemhans wrote: post #13

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I can also start a subculture about competing for the best type of bank robberies, doesn't make bank robberies a nice thing to do. But yeah fascinating

When graffiti is done on public owned objects or walls, it's impact is merely aesthetic. Not like a bank robbery. And I'd rather see graffiti, even if I find some ugly, than ads all over. And there's way more public ads anywhere than graffiti. I think local urban expressions like stickers and graffiti is pretty cool. The mainstream prefers ads I guess.

Most of the graffiti I see is on bridges over the freeway. This is distracting while driving, especially because freeway signs are also hung in that same place, so I look up there for relevant information and instead am distracted by various phrases that I don't understand. Often there's even graffiti on the freeway signs, sometimes covering up the text, making it unreadable. Yes, billboards have some similar problems, but that's somewhat mitigated because those are on the side of the road, not directly above it.

But you're right, certainly not as bad as a bank robbery.

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Post by muditsahni »

constantcrying wrote: post #104
umpalumpaaa wrote: post #9

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If you dive into the graffiti scene a bit you will start to appreciate all those graffitis. The story behind some of them is super interesting. There is a lot of "competition", "collaboration", and group dynamics involved. It is truly fascinating. I was living in Cologne (Ehrenfeld) for a while in a place with awesome graffiti and every weekend there were people taking pictures "collecting" and documenting the graffi…

There is exactly nothing about defacing public infrastructure which elicits the tiniest spark of "admiration" or "interest" in me. If you want to live out your "artistic ambitions" do it somewhere away from public property.

It’s always a struggle for me to accept that many people actually like graffiti. Maybe graffiti can add flavour to a city if it’s really drab and ugly (although I’m not too sure about this), but it only defiles cities which are aesthetically pleasing and beautiful. The technicality of graffiti has little to do with its appeal or it’s appropriateness. Something can be hard to make but still be garbage and/or misplaced w.r.t it’s surroundings.

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Post by tetris11 »

xandrius wrote: post #135
umpalumpaaa wrote: post #9

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If you dive into the graffiti scene a bit you will start to appreciate all those graffitis. The story behind some of them is super interesting. There is a lot of "competition", "collaboration", and group dynamics involved. It is truly fascinating. I was living in Cologne (Ehrenfeld) for a while in a place with awesome graffiti and every weekend there were people taking pictures "collecting" and documenting the graffi…

If you only call graffiti the so-called "street art" then yeah but when most are bullshit tags from teenagers in the same cliche style with 0 creativity then it's trash. And the problem is that 99% of the graffiti in the world is trash tags in stations/trains which has the direct impact of giving a rough feel to any well-meaning location. So to me, that kind of graffiti is the result of a "me important" mentality whi…

Once you've seen "Becky and Stace" written large on every train station from Basel to Frankfurt, you can't help but admire the effort.

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Post by kichimi »

constantcrying wrote: post #115
oaiey wrote: post #113

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Unfortunately, life is not black and white. Even without knowing anything about graffiti culture, there is a border between defacing and improving. And graffiti artists are moving over that border back and forth. Some of the most beautiful art I have seen are graffiti

I have never seen a good looking graffiti which was defacing public property. Granted, I have seen competent images which obviously were commissioned by building owners. All of it was bad art though and immensely displeasing.

Defacing is your opinion, I think a city without graffiti is a dead city, it's an improvement.

Re: Deutsche Bahn introduces "MetaWindow"

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Post by tetris11 »

smokel wrote: post #140

My hart jumped when I initially thought that they had implemented an idea that I had once. Turns out MetaWindow is not an augmented reality display in the train's window, where one can read information on the scenery that one passes through while traveling. What is that city in the distance? When was that church built? How many cows are in that meadow? Stuff one has to know.

A public institution doing this, fine fire away. A private train company? This will be an obnoxious video ad space.
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