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Re: Deutsche Bahn introduces "MetaWindow"

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I've normalized it all my life and will keep doing it, art should be around us and bring interestingness to public spaces. People like you would rather walk around in the equivalent of a hospital 24/7 and you currently have the law on your side but it doesn't mean you're right.

The door of my apartment building is graffitied every couple of months, and without any respect whatsoever your community's "art" can piss off.

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Re: Deutsche Bahn introduces "MetaWindow"

#82
post #19

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I can also start a subculture about competing for the best type of bank robberies, doesn't make bank robberies a nice thing to do. But yeah fascinating

Implying that graffiti is as bad as bank robberies is wild.

The point of the post was that merely having a subculture attached to something doesn't make it good or bad. The addition of the bank robbing was to make that point obvious by attaching a subculture to something obviously bad. If you thought they were saying that graffiti is bad because it's like bank robbery (which is bad) then you misunderstood the point of the post.

Re: Deutsche Bahn introduces "MetaWindow"

#83
post #50

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I've normalized it all my life and will keep doing it, art should be around us and bring interestingness to public spaces. People like you would rather walk around in the equivalent of a hospital 24/7 and you currently have the law on your side but it doesn't mean you're right.

The door of my apartment building is graffitied every couple of months, and without any respect whatsoever your community's "art" can piss off.

I hope this made you feel better. Good luck finding a new place to live or growing out of being upset from paint or it seems like you're going to be mad every couple of months until the rest of your days.

Re: Deutsche Bahn introduces "MetaWindow"

#84
post #16

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I can also start a subculture about competing for the best type of bank robberies, doesn't make bank robberies a nice thing to do. But yeah fascinating

When graffiti is done on public owned objects or walls, it's impact is merely aesthetic. Not like a bank robbery. And I'd rather see graffiti, even if I find some ugly, than ads all over. And there's way more public ads anywhere than graffiti. I think local urban expressions like stickers and graffiti is pretty cool. The mainstream prefers ads I guess.

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Re: Deutsche Bahn introduces "MetaWindow"

#85
post #16

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I can also start a subculture about competing for the best type of bank robberies, doesn't make bank robberies a nice thing to do. But yeah fascinating

When graffiti is done on public owned objects or walls, it's impact is merely aesthetic. Not like a bank robbery. And I'd rather see graffiti, even if I find some ugly, than ads all over. And there's way more public ads anywhere than graffiti. I think local urban expressions like stickers and graffiti is pretty cool. The mainstream prefers ads I guess.

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Re: Deutsche Bahn introduces "MetaWindow"

#86
post #16

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I can also start a subculture about competing for the best type of bank robberies, doesn't make bank robberies a nice thing to do. But yeah fascinating

When graffiti is done on public owned objects or walls, it's impact is merely aesthetic. Not like a bank robbery. And I'd rather see graffiti, even if I find some ugly, than ads all over. And there's way more public ads anywhere than graffiti. I think local urban expressions like stickers and graffiti is pretty cool. The mainstream prefers ads I guess.

This debate over graffiti aesthetics seems like it’s semantically adjacent to the rift between political left and right. And so: Have you seen Japanese graffiti? Compared to Japanese ads? Average tokyo ads/grafs are at least more aesthetic than the median in Western cities. With graffiti strangely better than ads by most measures. No , it’s not eye of the beholder, more like the soul of the despoiler.

EDIT, for the mods, artificial or not: Japanese spoliation aesthetics are a safe-ish counterexample for rightwingers as they localize the field of contention to the high local effort-high social payoff quadrant, where existing metrics are not questioned. You really want to constrain debate to the low local effort-high global payoff quadrant, which triggers all stripes, but are most relevant for humanity. Consider a GPT7 that requires only 10 dollars to train. Its worthwhile to think about but scares the bejeezus out of most folks.

Analogously, left wingers want to move the debate to low local effort-low global cost quadrant, because it seems straightforward to redefine cost metrics… moat and bailey dynamics really, quite curious.

Re: Deutsche Bahn introduces "MetaWindow"

#87
post #4

> a transparent noise barrier Most rail noise barriers in Germany are completely covered in graffiti [0], so I wouldn't expect them to remain transparent for more than a few weeks. [0] https://ga.de/imgs/93/8/5/9/3/0/9/1/9/tok_8596521c60eeaa53ee...

If you dive into the graffiti scene a bit you will start to appreciate all those graffitis. The story behind some of them is super interesting. There is a lot of "competition", "collaboration", and group dynamics involved. It is truly fascinating. I was living in Cologne (Ehrenfeld) for a while in a place with awesome graffiti and every weekend there were people taking pictures "collecting" and documenting the graffi…

Shiny pile of shit is still pile of shit, I’m glad people are starting to remove the graffiti. Nobody except hippies likes it.

Re: Deutsche Bahn introduces "MetaWindow"

#88

A semi-related surprising fact I only learned recently is that the ultra-long nose of Japanese bullet trains is not for aerodynamics, but to reduce noise. Specifically, "tunnel boom." Random source: https://www.jrpass.com/blog/why-shinkansen-bullet-trains-no-...

this is only a problem in japan because the shinkansen is the oldest high speed network in existence. new train tunnels built in Europe are wider and flare out at the end so that there isn't a tunnel boom.

Fascinating, and now I learned another new thing! Thank you for sharing.

Re: Deutsche Bahn introduces "MetaWindow"

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post #28
post #16

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When graffiti is done on public owned objects or walls, it's impact is merely aesthetic. Not like a bank robbery. And I'd rather see graffiti, even if I find some ugly, than ads all over. And there's way more public ads anywhere than graffiti. I think local urban expressions like stickers and graffiti is pretty cool. The mainstream prefers ads I guess.

The impact isn't merely aesthetic. For one thing, it can be costly to remove graffiti. And when it's on publicly owned property, who pays for that removal? The public, of course. If, for example, a train is the target of graffiti, it will often need to be taken out of service. This, then, results in a degraded service to the travelling public. Furthermore, graffiti artists often put themselves in dangerous situations…

Why remove it?

Re: Deutsche Bahn introduces "MetaWindow"

#90
post #16

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I can also start a subculture about competing for the best type of bank robberies, doesn't make bank robberies a nice thing to do. But yeah fascinating

When graffiti is done on public owned objects or walls, it's impact is merely aesthetic. Not like a bank robbery. And I'd rather see graffiti, even if I find some ugly, than ads all over. And there's way more public ads anywhere than graffiti. I think local urban expressions like stickers and graffiti is pretty cool. The mainstream prefers ads I guess.

Private individuals should not get to decide what public building aesthetic I need to accept
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