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VCs aren’t your friends

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Re: VCs aren’t your friends

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They probably meant universities (bachelor or masters program), but yeah I agree with you. People place way too much faith in institutions and take it as universal endorsement of ability, meanwhile many competent people are "misfits" that have all the brains and ability but can't stand the rules and mind games of these institutions; and those accepted are not significantly better than the ones below the acceptance li…

> meant universities Nope. I meant departments. The T10 programs handle CS admissions at the College (Engineering) and Department level. When you apply for a BS EECS at Cal or BSCS at CMU, it is the CS department (or School of Computer Science) that handles the entire application review process. Only more traditional LACs (the kinds modeled after Harvard College or Dartmouth College) put all applicants in the same bu…

> Nope. I meant departments. The T10 programs handle CS admissions at the College (Engineering) and Department level.

Stanford at least doesn't for undergrads. Admissions is handled at the university level and you're encouraged not to even declare a major (CS included) until after your freshman year when you've had a chance to explore options for a major.

Stanford is a more traditional LAC though, so falls under your last paragraph.

Re: VCs aren’t your friends

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I don't think it implies incompetence, but rather, an ability to not know the world outside of the one that was made for the recipient of the nepotism. I grew up in a fabulously wealthy suburb of NYC, a town often dubbed the "hedge fund capital of the world". I went to school with the kids of people who managed or worked at some of these funds, or worked on Wall Street. These kids were not and are not dumb, let alone…

First I’d like to thank you for the thoughtful, introspective, self-aware comment. I have no grievance with people who had slightly better starting conditions than others. My background wasn’t exactly fun but I didn’t grow up in the same postal code as Easy E, a lot of people have it a lot worse than being pushed around as a kid. My childhood was like: “you’re on your own”. My ex-wife’s background was a horror film,…

First off, I appreciate your comment. I rarely see such expressions of thanks on HN, so having one directed at a comment I made actually makes my day.

Re: starting off from different conditions - it's the world we live in, and it's inherent in people who have found success (for the most part) - if I have the means to give my kids the best chance for success, why wouldn't I do so? If that means making sure they go to a good school, or get a good job, or a loan to start a business, by all means, it's a no-brainer.

>What I have an issue with is the fungibility of one’s parent’s or lover’s or advocates wealth into further capture. That’s the thing I’ll be running for office to make not only a felony but one that gets enforced.

Agree 110%. You've got my vote (and donation, when you have a campaign and I have money to donate). Question is though, what are the mechanisms for catching this, much less enforcing it? It's one thing to be one of those multi-billionaires who send their kids to the best private schools, but at the same time take advantage of every tax loophole, lobby politicians to slash public education. It's another thing to be moderately successful and do right by society, yet also do one's best to make sure their offspring get every chance to succeed. Success does beget success (in most cases) so policing it is tough IMO but a worthwhile goal.

I'm paraphrasing the Prof G podcast here, but the system needs to really do 2 things. 1. Make sure the people that society would typically forget about (the bottom 90%) get a chance to enter the top 10%, and 2. for the top 10% to produce someone who enters the top .0001% who then makes enough money that taxing that person (or persons) helps #1.

>You sound like a cool person who is aware you supplied two of three ingredients around success: long hours and table stakes, but my quasi-informed read of your remarks is that you paid that rake.

Thank you. I was definitely supplied a lot by my parents, who raised a large family and my mom never had to work (for money - she still had to raise 4 kids, 2 adopted kids, a whole bunch of neighbors, and a dog). My dad worked his ass off and did well for himself, and for his community. Of course, he also had a great start in life (his father was a very successful surgeon) and was afforded top opportunities. The respect for him doesn't change though. I have put in my time, and dealt with a lot of BS, but hopefully one day I'll make it. That said, I also was born with crippling ADHD and am somewhere on the ASD spectrum, so it ain't all roses and sunshine - I barely passed through school and didn't get a good job. But I'm aware of where I came from, and how that influences my worldview. Some of my age-group peers who are doing much better than me financially and socially don't have that awareness, or are blind to the inherent biases that come from it. Odd, but I guess that's how it is.

>It also sounds like you understand good cards tend to be the dominant term, and I find that even more noteworthy and admirable than the first two.

It is what it is! I realize how lucky I was to be brought up when, where and how I did. Some don't, and those tend to be people that get suckered into crazy political beliefs or those that have no idea how society actually is versus how they think it is. Sad, but again, that's just how it is.

Good day to you as well; when you stop by my city to campaign, I will buy you coffee.

Re: VCs aren’t your friends

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Unpaid internships in general are the same "people with rich parents only" filter, to a lesser extent.

On the other hand, it's a way to get inside without being evaluated too harshly because they might lose money on you. I know people who started from nothing, couldn't pay the scholarships and were self taught, and the unpaid internship was what propelled them into a serious well paid career.

That doesn’t invalidate what the parent said though. Unpaid internships do filter out people who need a paycheck to survive.

Re: VCs aren’t your friends

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The competent ones can.

That is a ridiculous claim belied by the distribution of positive outcomes in VC. Any VC making this claim with any confidence is immediately dismissible IMO. I would literally never speak to that person again. Like in all fields, true competence comes with a deep skepticism of one’s own capabilities. Especially in a field absolutely chock full of luck, uncontrollable variables, motivated reasoning, and outright dece…

There aren't foolproof methods, but effective enough methods.

Re: VCs aren’t your friends

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First I’d like to thank you for the thoughtful, introspective, self-aware comment. I have no grievance with people who had slightly better starting conditions than others. My background wasn’t exactly fun but I didn’t grow up in the same postal code as Easy E, a lot of people have it a lot worse than being pushed around as a kid. My childhood was like: “you’re on your own”. My ex-wife’s background was a horror film,…

First off, I appreciate your comment. I rarely see such expressions of thanks on HN, so having one directed at a comment I made actually makes my day. Re: starting off from different conditions - it's the world we live in, and it's inherent in people who have found success (for the most part) - if I have the means to give my kids the best chance for success, why wouldn't I do so? If that means making sure they go to…

I express some pretty controversial opinions on HN and a few other places where people even sometimes listen to aggressive criticism of the status quo, and it’s kind of part of the package deal that when you walk away from the big time over an objection of conscience, you’re probably pretty passionate about it. I’ve chosen to embrace some pretty contentious relationships with some of the most powerful people in the world because even a few years of living large at the expense (in my opinion) of the public welfare was making me physically ill. Those folks for the most part have chosen to hit back much harder with their much greater resources, but be very careful to make the more vulnerable party by far appear to be the aggressor. There are just limits to how much a guy who walked away from the FAANG pay can menace a C-suite executive or board member at a major corporation.

I try hard to leaven an attitude and articulation around this that depending on one’s taste starts at “passionate” and it’s not ridiculous to call it “strident” or maybe even “toxic” or something with acknowledging thoughtful, public-minded comments like yours at every opportunity.

I would like to acknowledge that you’re very articulate and clearly ethically-motivated remarks and attitude created an opportunity for me to be thoughtful and reasonable in spite of being very frustrated with the status quo, which is not an opportunity afforded on every thread for someone who is engaged in what amounts to some level of “civil disobedience”.

I think everything you’ve said is eminently reasonable, though even describing a position on these topics implies some different difficult dilemmas, many of which you pointed out.

I’d very much like to continue this conversation as it’s one of the most productive I’ve found on the Internet in recent memory, but arbitrarily nesting the thread without more expressed interest from the community is probably pushing it.

If you’d also like to kick the tires on some of these conundrums in a bit more detail, please email me at b7r6@b7r6.net and I will make an effort to reply promptly!

Either way, thank you for raising the bar on the conversation: you pulled my level of debate up, and I doubt I’m alone in that.

Re: VCs aren’t your friends

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If this looks attractive to a founder:

""We want to be the first check in." "We add value" 'We are responsible investors". "We're in for the long run". "We back outliers" and the oh-so-famous "Let me know how I can be helpful".

then what they should look for is a skilled operational partner with a high-ish IQ and a stable personality, almost certainly with access to money that can be used for bootstrapping the business. You know, a virtually nonexistent unicorn in the circles that most people operate. Someone who is as rare as the right spouse. That combination is worth a hefty percentage.

VC money isn't optimal for the initial startup phase. Everyone will be happier, detail nitpicking will be nonexistent, and the VC involvement will be more natural at the point in which customer acquisition rate and the cost of that volume is outpacing revenue, which should be the exponential growth curve often in years 5-10. Sometimes an acquisition comes soon after.

If a founder cares about their business, then asking VC to essentially be their startup partner is asking for trouble in a lot of instances.

Re: VCs aren’t your friends

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On the other hand, it's a way to get inside without being evaluated too harshly because they might lose money on you. I know people who started from nothing, couldn't pay the scholarships and were self taught, and the unpaid internship was what propelled them into a serious well paid career.

That doesn’t invalidate what the parent said though. Unpaid internships do filter out people who need a paycheck to survive.

Sure they do, but those can apply to a paid position. I don't see why someone who knows enough to get paid would even consider an unpaid internship.

Re: VCs aren’t your friends

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Most business founders don’t need VC money and are worse off for taking VC money. I find the mindset “my pitch deck was 2 months old so I didn’t get funding” very out of touch of business realities. It is far more likely that that type of business doesn’t need VC funding. Your SaaS can probably be built with your daytime developer salary. No VC ever says “wow, what a great investment opportunity, one of the best, but…

Yeah that's why all large startups are bootstrapped

I think the argument would also be that you don't need a "large" startup to get something done.

Re: VCs aren’t your friends

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> If VCs had to work for free, where would you be meeting them? It's interesting you are pointing exactly at the OP point without realizing it. If you are assuming that the VCs will be doing this for "free", it means they simply don't believe they'll have any ROI, let alone one that beats the market.

What? That makes no sense. VC is a job like any other, it takes time and work/effort etc to produce output, it's also a job where you can improve with skill and experience. Just like writing code takes effort and skill, why would you spend 10 years writing code full-time for "free"? Just like no one would edit books full-time for free, or write code full-time for free, or teach kids full-time for free, VC's wouldn't…

VC is a job like any other

Generally speaking these people can retire any time they want. Not necessarily with the all the padding and status markers they'd prefer to have. But the bottom line is -- by the time they hit partner level, they definitely have enough in the bank so that they no longer have to show up at the office --- and they certainly don't need to be be anybody's employee in order to physically sustain themselves.

So in the most fundamental sense -- it absolutely is not a "job like any other".

Re: VCs aren’t your friends

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> Yes, but it's tricky here because often it's upfront. Fair. These sorts of things are usually pretty nuanced. > it was a pretty steep sacrifice for a shot at that carry. I totally get that, but it also seems like the ideal balance of interests. To many obvious failure modes if you don't have enough skin in the game. Of course that works the other way too, the upside in good-to-great cases have to make it make sense…

I mean, I made the choice to join because I saw it as a good option. But even so, was an unusually risky tradeoff between an effectively low basic for a higher bet at the return. I also certainly think it's understandable that LPs want it that way. Main point is that it's only lucrative if the fund pays out on carry, and you take a high risk for something which might possibly pay out ten years in the future. If it do…

Which is effectively like old school startups when you think of it … relatively low salaries and a bunch of options that may or may not turn to gold in 10 years .
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