Utah Locals Are Getting Cheap 10 Gbps Fiber Thanks to Local Governments

Post by dheera » Thu, May 16, 2024, 5:19 PM UTC

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In 2012 google paid like 12B for Moto, comcast had a market cap of like 80B

Google did a $70B stock buyback last year. Every year they are doing similar numbers for the last 5 years. In 2012 they had $50B cash on hand. Today despite the buybacks every year they still have $100-150Billion cash on hand, while Comcast is only worth $150 Billion. They could absolutely afford it now and most likely 10 years back as well without even considering financing the deal. --- Google is just very bad at a…

Post by snielson » Thu, May 16, 2024, 5:38 PM UTC

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Utopia provides an active ethernet connection to each subscriber with the specified bandwidth. This is superior to most fiber deployments, which are passive optical networks (GPON) where groups of 16-32 homes share a connection (usually 2.4 Gb down and 1.2 Gb up). I live in Utah and actively worked to get fiber in my small city. Utopia requires cities to guarantee a take rate (40% if I recall correctly) and taxpayers…

Verizon home, where available, isn't too bad... it's definitely a good backup connection for WFH scenarios.

Post by SV_BubbleTime » Thu, May 16, 2024, 5:44 PM UTC

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You mean a 1A violation like the government pressuring media companies to push their narratives? Because we have seen this year no one seems to care enough.

If you are unable to exercise your first amendment rights, you sue, and you win. This happens over and over again. Media companies push whatever narratives they want to.

Post by wlesieutre » Thu, May 16, 2024, 6:18 PM UTC

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That is probably not a terrible configuration for a lot of users. It is disappointing that the internet didn’t remain a network of mostly peers where everyone might host something. But, realistically, lots of people approximately just use their bandwidth to stream video, right?

Netflix themselves say that 15Mbps is enough for 4k. 1.2Gbps downstream is enough for >50 such 4k video streams without saturation -- something that will probably never happen in any household, even in Grandma's house on Christmas Eve with a bunch of grandkids around. Meanwhile, I've had single-player games of Factorio of medium complexity that would saturate 20Mbps upstream. Nobody needs a connection that is so heav…

Post by kristopolous » Thu, May 16, 2024, 6:25 PM UTC

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For however conservative Utah is, they are very community oriented so in practice, they seem to implement some fairly socialist policies. They were real early in housing first and they have a pretty nice built-out public transit system, a bunch of coops, 3x the average of credit union membership ... things like that.

There’s a communitarian-libertarian axis that’s distinct from the conservative-liberal axis. While libertarianism tends to dominate both the left and right in the U.S., I suspect most American conservatives outside the coasts are more communitarian, closer to Christian democrats: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_democracy . Conversely, while American liberals have putatively communal ambitions, they’re often t…