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Deactivating Facebook for just a few weeks reduces belief in fake news

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Re: Deactivating Facebook for just a few weeks reduces belief in fake news

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I have kept my Facebook account for the primary purpose of making sure relatives don't share pictures of our kids' faces, and check it very rarely.

Recently though, the change has been incredible. People I know in real life, including my own parents, have been "Liking" very obviously AI generated posts. A HUGE amount of the "Recommended" posts I see are obvious AI images. It's gotten really, really bad, in just the past few months.

Re: Deactivating Facebook for just a few weeks reduces belief in fake news

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Fine but lately I have been worried that people are crazy or the news I get are fake because I can't understand that in 2024, some countries are still warring to the point that people speak loosely about their nuclear arsenal and nuclear options (French media). While deaths could be averted so easily if this is merely a territory issue.

There has to be some meta-level concerns.

Politics is really strange. Are they playing poker or is this some obscure stuff going on?

Oh I could ramble on people playing the geo-positioning game in Africa too for instance but that existed before I was born and as stupid as I think it may be... They are still trying to do it for some reason. French specificity I guess nowadays because what the goal of the presence near Australia... I mean if some people reproach to Putin that he has views on part of the Ukrainian territory, assuredly, they can't be claiming to still have views on New Caledonia, or Chad, or elsewhere(they call these interests, whatever that means, probably minus the people) etc. Am I misunderstanding something?

Doesn't seem very democratic to me...

Just wondering if this is intellectual laziness and lack of EQ that make them take the wrong decisions each time or whether there is something else, perhaps at the brain level?

Even "real" news are weird. (I had deactivated fb back in 2012 or so, therefore can't be that :o)

(sorry if I hold people to a higher standard than they are able to. I have my reasons :)

Re: Deactivating Facebook for just a few weeks reduces belief in fake news

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post #14

I’ve deactivated Facebook for about 15 years. Hopefully my belief in fake news is correspondingly low. It’s tough though; for all the bullshit that comes at you through these social networks, there is a lot of genuine personal connection too. Having shunned most social networking for double digit years I do feel “cleaner” for not having to wade through all the crap, probably comparatively less anxious about the world…

Regarding, loneliness, did you consider going to the library. Sometimes there are book reading clubs and you may meet like-minded people. Meetup app also helps connecting with people with similar outdoor activities such as hiking.

>Meetup app also helps connecting with people with similar outdoor activities such as hiking.

Hah! It's funny that you mention that. Like OP, I've also kicked social media and heavy internet use to the curb. I also happen to love multi-day backpacking trips, but one of the things I love the most about them is the complete solitude I can have for days on end! Something about being completely disconnected like that is soul-soothing for me.

Re: Deactivating Facebook for just a few weeks reduces belief in fake news

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Random question: how does one even make a Facebook account nowadays?

My wife has a client whom needed her to manage a campaign on Facebook so she attempted to make an account. It instantly got banned as spam. Like, instantly, before even being able to login.

I then tried to make one on her behalf to the same result. Me being me, I thought “I’ll use a different email”. Nope. Phone number, nope. Different phone number, nope. Different phone number while I’m in India, nope. Get my mum to make one, nope. Pay a local to make one, nope.

We just gave up in the end and her client settled for being advised over a screen share in a call.

I’ve not had an account for well over a decade nor has my wife so this was all really strange considering she only wanted the account in order to make them money by the way of managing ad campaigns for her clients.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Re: Deactivating Facebook for just a few weeks reduces belief in fake news

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I have kept my Facebook account for the primary purpose of making sure relatives don't share pictures of our kids' faces, and check it very rarely. Recently though, the change has been incredible. People I know in real life, including my own parents, have been "Liking" very obviously AI generated posts. A HUGE amount of the "Recommended" posts I see are obvious AI images. It's gotten really, really bad, in just the p…

> A HUGE amount of the "Recommended" posts I see are obvious AI images.

As in AI artwork, or AI-generated images that purport to be real?

Re: Deactivating Facebook for just a few weeks reduces belief in fake news

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It is still unclear to me how we expect these platforms to filter "misinformation" given that 1) It's not in Meta's interest 2) who gets to decide what is and is not fake news ie "who watches the watchman"? and 3) the human base desire to gorge on junk, of one form or another.

> given that 1) It's not in Meta's interest

Somewhat glib answer is it needs to be in their interest. Section 230 means the social media platforms are insulated from liability for the content they publish and promote. It was conceived in a world where those platforms were perceived as (relatively) neutral infrastructure for publishing and sharing content. But it's a long time since they were neutral. The algorithms used to promote content are, in effect, editorial control. The net result is that these platforms get to choose what users see - without any of the accountability that mainstream media has with regards journalistic integrity and veracity of content. Which isn't to suggest mainstream media is a paragon of balance and truth; but at least there are laws that can be used to hold those organisations to account.

I'm no lawyer and doubt the answer is as simple as revoking section 230. But something needs to be done. Perhaps the EU's investigations into Meta [1, 2] will inform an answer.

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[1]: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2024/apr/29/eu-to-inv...

[2]: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/article/2024/may/16/e...

Re: Deactivating Facebook for just a few weeks reduces belief in fake news

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I have kept my Facebook account for the primary purpose of making sure relatives don't share pictures of our kids' faces, and check it very rarely. Recently though, the change has been incredible. People I know in real life, including my own parents, have been "Liking" very obviously AI generated posts. A HUGE amount of the "Recommended" posts I see are obvious AI images. It's gotten really, really bad, in just the p…

> A HUGE amount of the "Recommended" posts I see are obvious AI images. As in AI artwork, or AI-generated images that purport to be real?

The latter. Not sure why I would be concerned about the former.

Re: Deactivating Facebook for just a few weeks reduces belief in fake news

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

My internet bill comes every month. What deal are you getting?

In this context, I am referring to the bill you'd get from AWS, not your internet utility provider.

YouTube achieves this, but the wider web never has very successfully.

Re: Deactivating Facebook for just a few weeks reduces belief in fake news

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Well okay, but Facebook is not an outlier.

Every outlet has noticed the popularity that comes with telling people what they want to hear. It’s legal to give “opinion” that has no backing evidence, as opposed to journalism, where people reasonably expect some due diligence.

That’s why Hannity, for instance, is quick to point out that he is not a journalist, but in fact an opinion show host. That distinction is meant to limit his liability.

Political speech is protected, you don’t have to be tethered to reality in order to participate.

But there’s limits, for example slander and defamation.

Re: Deactivating Facebook for just a few weeks reduces belief in fake news

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I have kept my Facebook account for the primary purpose of making sure relatives don't share pictures of our kids' faces, and check it very rarely. Recently though, the change has been incredible. People I know in real life, including my own parents, have been "Liking" very obviously AI generated posts. A HUGE amount of the "Recommended" posts I see are obvious AI images. It's gotten really, really bad, in just the p…

Mine is AI, and straight up porn. I don’t mind the porn as much as the AI.
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