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Re: Face opera

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And single key shortcuts!

And vertical multi-column tabs! And good performance for 100+ tabs on single core CPU-s! And speed dial! And integrated email/RSS client! And trash can! And notes! And so many more. Then I might switch.

Don't miss tiling/cascading/resizing open tabs.

Re: Face opera

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Unite was awesome. The problem is hardly anyone used Opera. A company like Facebook could actually do something with it. Imagine the possibilities for apps and games if a big chunk of Facebook users had it.

Unite is really awesome and I'm sorry to see it go, I used it for quick sharing with friends. Much more convenient than Dropbox when you just want something right there and then.

I think Unite suffered from not being open enough. You required an Opera account to use it, and there's no open specification for building compatible tools and services. What you could build into the browser itself was quite limited. (Plus you had to leave the browser open all the time, which can be a pain.)

There's some recent proposals for p2p web standards (http://www.infotales.com/peer-to-peer-web-standards-by-world...) which may provide an alternative system to Unite with some of the same goals. Opera appear to be involved in it.

Re: Face opera

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I've spent seven years of my life at Opera, quitting just a few months ago. I've reached the exact same conclusions as ppk.

Owning both a browser and the applications running in it is an immensely powerful combination, as demonstrated by Google. It makes perfect sense for Facebook to want to do the same.

And as much as I dislike Facebook, I believe a buyout like this is the only way for Opera to survive long-term. They have a brilliant engineering team, but it's dwarfed by its competitors. The Presto engine is maintained by a team of just ~60 developers and ~30 testers. They're doing amazing work, but can't keep up with the faster pace of Webkit or Trident development. Combine that with the current level of mismanagement, and you're in trouble.

Without backing from a bigger player, Opera will dwindle to irrelevance as the use of its proxy browser fades away.

Re: Face opera

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> What are we looking forward to a decade from now? iBank? FB insurence? G+ real state? GE sells refrigerators, MRI machines, insurance & financing and owns a television network. We've actually already been there.

The difference here is that GE's business model doesn't involve keeping tabs on what you have in your refrigerator and your MRI scan results.

"They will." (tm)

Why wouldn't they do that? What's in your refrigerator and how long it's been there has been discussed almost as often as flying cars, within an order of magnitude.

Once checkout of items is commonly done with NFC or RFID or similar, then it's a mere matter of engineering for GE to accomplish exactly that, all taking place on the internet of things.

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The battle of the giants is really beginning: Apple, Microsoft, Facebook, Google and Amazon will be trying to define the future of the internet and they will have to attack each others core businesses to grow further. On several levels of the internet they all try to get a foot in: 1. Cloud: AWS, iCloud, Azure, Gdrive & App engine - Facebook hasn't got a storage or computation sollution 2. Social: Google+, Windows Li…

> So, Facebook definitely needs a browser. Why?

This is off course a legitimate question. I tried to really summarize it by saying: "loosing one level will cause the collapse of the others".

The browser is for the end user an important base because that is where they get directed to surf and target ad spending etc. By inserting functionality like a start page or search engine, the behavior is influenced a lot. You can also push own services and products directly.

The current status of the browser is also that it can replace the OS. (See Google Chrome OS)

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At least they say that they don't log it. Google's Chrome does send and log every website you visit.

Citation?

Sorry, I misrepresented it. Opera checks domains (every one except local) while google gets only what you type into the address bar (by default).

Re: Face opera

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I'm really baffled by all those people saying that they will stop using Opera if FB acquires them. I mean - okay, If they start modifying it to send your data to Facebook without way to opt-out - sure, do that. If they start showing ads in fastmail and reading your mails - sure, that's reasonable. But I really think that doing that the moment FB acquires Opera would be quite an overreaction.

Why would FB buy Opera, except for scenarios similar or exactly like you list?

If I'm a frog in a pot, and I see you turn on the gas, I'm jumping out, because I know ahead of time that it's going to get hot. By the time the water boils the (subjective) damage has already happened.

Which is to say, I'll leave fastmail before the ink is dry on a FB/Opera deal.

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Fast JS (it took Firefox forever to catch up) and SPDY.

Making Javascript a first-class citizen can't be understated. Before V8 came along, Javascript was good for doing form validations and not a lot more. Chrome sparked a Javascript engine arms race that has tremendously benefited web developers and users.

That's nice and everything except now they want to kill it and replace it with Dart. Basically Google hated Javascript (and rightfully so) but used it to gain market share, and now they can't really get rid of it. To add insult to injury, now you also have server-side Javascript.

Re: Face opera

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I've spent seven years of my life at Opera, quitting just a few months ago. I've reached the exact same conclusions as ppk. Owning both a browser and the applications running in it is an immensely powerful combination, as demonstrated by Google. It makes perfect sense for Facebook to want to do the same. And as much as I dislike Facebook, I believe a buyout like this is the only way for Opera to survive long-term. Th…

Could you elaborate on the mismanagement part?
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