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Viking 7B: open LLM for the Nordic languages trained on AMD GPUs

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Re: Viking 7B: open LLM for the Nordic languages trained on AMD GPUs

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Post by TrackerFF »

Tor3 wrote: post #50
anewhnaccount3 wrote: post #42

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Finnish is not so different dispute having different lineages. Even if we talk about morphology, sometimes it's simply that e.g. prepositions are affixed to the end of a word big whoop. There are many dimensions to language vairation. Finnish has a long history of contact with Scandi languages and a lot of borrowed words and logic. It would be good to have Estonian and possibly Baltic languages too. ETA: It is differ…

As someone growing up in relatively close contact with Finnish, I can assure you that there's no real common ground between Scandinavian languages (Swedish, Danish, Norwegian) and Finnish. There are loan words, but they are few and far between and in any case does not make for any mutual understanding. I've been so much to Finland that I would really like to learn to at least understand the language, instead of relyi…

We do have one small language, the Kven language(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kven_language), which is a sort of "Finnish structure, but with lots of borrowed Norwegian words. But for all intents and purposes, it very much sounds like Finnish.

It basically sounds like the language a Finnish person that has lived their whole life in Norway, and then starts to mix words because they forgot the Finnish words.

But that's about it. I know there are some other dialects, too, but these are all very small-scale languages that are either extinct, or will be extinct in some decades.

Much easier for Finns to learn Swedish, that for Swedes to learn Finnish, IMO. I speak Norwegian and Finnish (lived in Finland when I was young)

Re: Viking 7B: open LLM for the Nordic languages trained on AMD GPUs

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Post by anewhnaccount3 »

Tor3 wrote: post #50
anewhnaccount3 wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Finnish is not so different dispute having different lineages. Even if we talk about morphology, sometimes it's simply that e.g. prepositions are affixed to the end of a word big whoop. There are many dimensions to language vairation. Finnish has a long history of contact with Scandi languages and a lot of borrowed words and logic. It would be good to have Estonian and possibly Baltic languages too. ETA: It is differ…

As someone growing up in relatively close contact with Finnish, I can assure you that there's no real common ground between Scandinavian languages (Swedish, Danish, Norwegian) and Finnish. There are loan words, but they are few and far between and in any case does not make for any mutual understanding. I've been so much to Finland that I would really like to learn to at least understand the language, instead of relyi…

Loan words from Scandi are more common than you think. Eg Hei is a common greeting, tykätä is a common verb. For nouns there is even a whole paradigm for loans, a large number of which are Scandi. They are not necessarily easy to recognise since they undergo sound changes eg plaasteri becomes laasteri

Re: Viking 7B: open LLM for the Nordic languages trained on AMD GPUs

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Post by fikama »

staticman2 wrote: post #41
ClarityJones wrote: post #32

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Fair, but there may be overhead that doesn't need to exist. Certainly - for the limited compute my brain can accomplish - I could gain a deeper understanding of physics, if I focused on learning physics and didn't also have to simultaneously learn French.

Wouldn't a better metaphor be if a child growing up in a bilingual household would be worse at physics as an adult? My guess would be growing up bilingual would have no impact.

This hypotetical kid would have the same size of brain/number of neurons anyway. In case of LLMs one could create a model that could be smaller thakns to not including the knowlegde about unecessary languages. A problem though could be with lacking traing data in other languages.

Re: Viking 7B: open LLM for the Nordic languages trained on AMD GPUs

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Post by akx »

anewhnaccount3 wrote: post #52
Tor3 wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone growing up in relatively close contact with Finnish, I can assure you that there's no real common ground between Scandinavian languages (Swedish, Danish, Norwegian) and Finnish. There are loan words, but they are few and far between and in any case does not make for any mutual understanding. I've been so much to Finland that I would really like to learn to at least understand the language, instead of relyi…

Loan words from Scandi are more common than you think. Eg Hei is a common greeting, tykätä is a common verb. For nouns there is even a whole paradigm for loans, a large number of which are Scandi. They are not necessarily easy to recognise since they undergo sound changes eg plaasteri becomes laasteri

Loan words, yes, but that has very little to do with the grammar and structure of the language. "Jag tycker om dig" [sv] translates to "Tykkään sinusta" [fi], which isn't anywhere near the Scandic.

Also, it's "laastari", not "laasteri", so uh.

Re: Viking 7B: open LLM for the Nordic languages trained on AMD GPUs

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Post by anewhnaccount3 »

akx wrote: post #54
anewhnaccount3 wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Loan words from Scandi are more common than you think. Eg Hei is a common greeting, tykätä is a common verb. For nouns there is even a whole paradigm for loans, a large number of which are Scandi. They are not necessarily easy to recognise since they undergo sound changes eg plaasteri becomes laasteri

Loan words, yes, but that has very little to do with the grammar and structure of the language. "Jag tycker om dig" [sv] translates to "Tykkään sinusta" [fi], which isn't anywhere near the Scandic. Also, it's "laastari", not "laasteri", so uh.

Oh well if I made a spelling mistake that obviously invalidates my whole point. Thank you for teaching me that Finnish is a very special language -- just like the Finns -- such an amazing an unique people ;)
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