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New gel breaks down alcohol in the body

ethz.ch

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Re: New gel breaks down alcohol in the body

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Yes: I also think we must vocally, expressly reject anything that I don't find to be completely necessary. Other use cases == doing it wrong.

You are so sarcastic here it is impossible to glean any genuine critique of my position. If this stuff catches on and in 10 years we're all eating strange chemical gel after a round of drinks, I'll hand it to you. I just don't think that will happen.

My body sometimes has a pretty negative reaction to the lactose in milk.

But I like milk, and milk products. I like the taste of it, the ease of it, and the way it makes me feel. It's nice for me, or at least it is until (some time later) it is not nice anymore.

So, I keep inexpensive tablets that contain the lactase enzyme in my kitchen.

Eating one of these tablets around the time that I consume milk completely eliminates the messy unpleasantness that lactose has on me. Poof, gone.

I don't think it's strange at all to do this. In fact, learning that I could easily (and very selectively) deal with my problems with lactose has made a pretty huge improvement in my quality of life.

Why would you think that taking something to remove the unpleasantness of alcohol would be any different, functionally?

Re: New gel breaks down alcohol in the body

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post #241

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You are so sarcastic here it is impossible to glean any genuine critique of my position. If this stuff catches on and in 10 years we're all eating strange chemical gel after a round of drinks, I'll hand it to you. I just don't think that will happen.

My body sometimes has a pretty negative reaction to the lactose in milk. But I like milk, and milk products. I like the taste of it, the ease of it, and the way it makes me feel. It's nice for me, or at least it is until (some time later) it is not nice anymore. So, I keep inexpensive tablets that contain the lactase enzyme in my kitchen. Eating one of these tablets around the time that I consume milk completely elim…

I don't know anyone who drinks without the intention of getting drunk, but suppose there was someone, that person could just buy alcohol-free drinks. The same way that I'm sure you would buy lactose-free milk if it was available because that's easier than taking the pill.

Re: New gel breaks down alcohol in the body

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Check out a product named ZBiotics [1] which claims to do this. I can't tell you that it for certain works as advertised, but between myself and several other people now in my friend group, all but one swears by the results in terms of the morning after. [1] https://zbiotics.com

It's really expensive. Would eating natto work?

Perhaps? Out of the various things I've tried this is the one that has seemed to have the best effect. I've not done a double blind or anything so can't say that it's not psychosomatic.

As for the expense, I just view it adding a beer to the night. At least where I am beers are generally ~$9 a pop (more once you add tip & tax) so it's about the same. And to be honest, the productivity gain from the next morning not being so rough has generally been worth it.

Re: New gel breaks down alcohol in the body

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Just a warning to everyone: This effect doesn't seem to have much scientific support beyond the cited paper. Other work has followed up and was not able to replicate: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8603706/ .

The test is trivial - take a breathalyzer and compare results after say 2, 3, 5 beers before and after. Some mental / IQ test could be added to make sure we don't have folks driving around passing breath test while being very drunk. Something tells me if they can't provide such a trivial result, it ain't working as folks expect (and god knows what nasty side effects it can have).

a hangover isn't strictly correlated to alcohol - you can have a hangover with a 0% alcohol reported by the breathalyzer. I've read drinking alcohol starts processes that damage the brain for the following 3 weeks, and the brain needs additional 3 weeks to heal. Obviously what people mean by a hangover has a much shorter span, I think mostly related to dehydration.

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> Self-control is like a muscle: exercise it frequently, and it gets stronger. It also gets tired and needs rest, and it atrophies with disuse. Addiction is not a matter of self-control.

It absolutely is. Most people become addicted to something because they lacked the self-control to say "no" the first time... And the second time... And so on until it became an addiction. Also, by saying this you're insulting every person who has broken an addiction by way of exercising their self-control until it's strong enough to overcome the addiction. Some of us don't appreciate that.

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Brussel sprouts are quite good these days, because they've been genetically engineered over the past 30 years to be less bitter. They're not your parents' sprouts anymore (especially roasted for that Maillard reaction, not boiled as they would've likely done).

Brussel sprouts at restaurants are basically candy lol. Yeah they're roasted and crispy and cooked with bacon fat and usually some sweet sauce added lol.

Most restaurants deep fry them nowadays

Re: New gel breaks down alcohol in the body

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post #241

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My body sometimes has a pretty negative reaction to the lactose in milk. But I like milk, and milk products. I like the taste of it, the ease of it, and the way it makes me feel. It's nice for me, or at least it is until (some time later) it is not nice anymore. So, I keep inexpensive tablets that contain the lactase enzyme in my kitchen. Eating one of these tablets around the time that I consume milk completely elim…

I don't know anyone who drinks without the intention of getting drunk, but suppose there was someone, that person could just buy alcohol-free drinks. The same way that I'm sure you would buy lactose-free milk if it was available because that's easier than taking the pill.

There's no shortage of people in these threads who find value in having an alcoholic beverage without the intention of getting drunk, with a variety of reasons stated. I don't need to understand their motivations to appreciate the fact that these motivations exist.

And, no, drinking lactose-free milk isn't "easier" for me than "taking the pill."

1. Lactose-free milk is very available to me. But I do not buy it because it costs me around 2-4x as much by volume compared to regular milk, which is much harder on my pocketbook than the combination of drinking regular milk and eating a $0.10 tablet (which I can get down to $0.06 by buying in larger quantities, if I choose). This has parallels to things like NA beer, wherein: Regular beer can be very cheap, but NA beer is never quite that way.

2. Lactase tablets are much, much more portable than lactose-free milk is. It's very easy to bring some with me when I travel, whereas bringing along lactose-free milk has obvious problems. This portability has parallels with the thing discussed in TFA.

3. Lactose-free milk does not taste like regular milk. Its flavor profile is related, and it can be enjoyed, but it remains different and I strongly prefer regular milk. Even without issues #1 and #2, buying and drinking lactose-free milk can only be "easier" if I'm somehow willing to overlook the fact these are not the same things. This concept has parallels in the discussions that others have here in these threads, wherein people report that regular drinks and NA drinks do not taste the same.

Re: New gel breaks down alcohol in the body

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post #241

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My body sometimes has a pretty negative reaction to the lactose in milk. But I like milk, and milk products. I like the taste of it, the ease of it, and the way it makes me feel. It's nice for me, or at least it is until (some time later) it is not nice anymore. So, I keep inexpensive tablets that contain the lactase enzyme in my kitchen. Eating one of these tablets around the time that I consume milk completely elim…

I don't know anyone who drinks without the intention of getting drunk, but suppose there was someone, that person could just buy alcohol-free drinks. The same way that I'm sure you would buy lactose-free milk if it was available because that's easier than taking the pill.

If people drank only to get drunk bars would go out of business instantly. A single drink made with a rail liquor pays for the whole bottle. Like it or not, sharing alcoholic beverages is a social bonding experience for many people, and for connoisseurs, alcohol-free substitutes for those beverages don't have anything close to the depth and quality, but for many reasons, being drunk isn't always desirable. That's why people spit out the wine at wine tastings.

There are a whole lot of people that get a whole lot out of consuming beverages that contain alcohol while not wanting to become intoxicated. Your use case doesn't involve that, but as someone who spent decades working in the food and bev industry, I assure you that you can't generalize your use case to everyone.

Re: New gel breaks down alcohol in the body

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I don't know anyone who drinks without the intention of getting drunk, but suppose there was someone, that person could just buy alcohol-free drinks. The same way that I'm sure you would buy lactose-free milk if it was available because that's easier than taking the pill.

If people drank only to get drunk bars would go out of business instantly. A single drink made with a rail liquor pays for the whole bottle. Like it or not, sharing alcoholic beverages is a social bonding experience for many people, and for connoisseurs, alcohol-free substitutes for those beverages don't have anything close to the depth and quality, but for many reasons, being drunk isn't always desirable. That's why…

If what you're saying is true, bars should sell just as much fruit juice as they do booze. If it's true, then no one should mind being the designated driver. I don't know if you've ever been out for drinks, but the reason you go is to get drunk. Sometimes you want to be more on the tipsy end than on the blackout end, but that is still drinking. The difference between drinking and a tea party is alcohol, and it blows my mind that you don't think that's significant. The people who want to meet up and drink something without alcohol go to cafés, not bars. There's a good reason why these two things haven't been combined.

Re: New gel breaks down alcohol in the body

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If people drank only to get drunk bars would go out of business instantly. A single drink made with a rail liquor pays for the whole bottle. Like it or not, sharing alcoholic beverages is a social bonding experience for many people, and for connoisseurs, alcohol-free substitutes for those beverages don't have anything close to the depth and quality, but for many reasons, being drunk isn't always desirable. That's why…

If what you're saying is true, bars should sell just as much fruit juice as they do booze. If it's true, then no one should mind being the designated driver. I don't know if you've ever been out for drinks, but the reason you go is to get drunk. Sometimes you want to be more on the tipsy end than on the blackout end, but that is still drinking. The difference between drinking and a tea party is alcohol, and it blows…

> If what you're saying is true, bars should sell just as much fruit juice as they do booze.

No-- sharing alcoholic beverages is symbolic in a way fruit juice is not.

> If it's true, then no one should mind being the designated driver.

No-- many people enjoy being intoxicated and sharing alcoholic beverages is an important social bonding exercise to many.

> I don't know if you've ever been out for drinks, but the reason you go is to get drunk.

I worked in bars and nightclubs as a bouncer and bartender for nearly two decades and was a 4-or-5-days-per-week regular in them for about a decade. After not having been to bars frequently in at least 5 years, I've got at least half a dozen bars I could walk into right now and not pay for alcohol. I might know more about drinking in public than anyone you've ever met.

> Sometimes you want to be more on the tipsy end than on the blackout end, but that is still drinking. The difference between drinking and a tea party is alcohol, and it blows my mind that you don't think that's significant.

Maybe you should re-read what I wrote. Not once did I even intimate that drinking alcohol and non-alcoholic beverages isn't significantly different. What you don't seem to realize is that it's not different in the same way for everybody. Believe it or not, you can't generalize your preferences and experiences to everyone else. You just can't.

> The people who want to meet up and drink something without alcohol go to cafés, not bars.

Some do. My wife doesn't really drink, hates the smell of coffee, and worked in the service industry for 25 years. When she wants to meet up with friends, she goes to a bar. Not only is it the traditional meeting venue among people we know, it's got an entirely different energy than a cafe does. Usually she drinks seltzer with lemon, but sometimes she has a cocktail because she loves the social act of drinking together and thinks they taste delicious, but always regrets the grogginess, headaches, and other side-effects she gets from alcohol. Sometimes when there's a big round of shots going around-- a very common social bonding tradition, especially among service industry workers-- she often feels compelled to hide the fact that she surreptitiously slipped me the shot because I have a much higher tolerance. I discretely hand the empty glass back to her and she puts it down. This has happened literally dozens of times. If there was a way for her to partake in the shot or have a cocktail with friends while not having the requisite physical effects, she'd jump on it.

Beyond that, bartenders doing shots with customers is a huge money maker. When customers feel like they're having an experience with a bartender rather than one provided by a bartender, it's an entirely different experience. It's more fun for the customers, sometimes more fun for the bartenders, and usually elicits much bigger tips. A bartender being able to consume a bunch of alcohol and maintain coherency would be a huge boon. Right now, a lot of them just do a bunch of coke or chew on adderall-- beyond maybe 30 that loses its appeal pretty quickly. That's what the line cooks did in an 'edgy' place I cooked at with an open kitchen where customers could buy the kitchen staff beer. We were expected to drink it and look like we're having fun in an extremely high-volume, high-performance kitchen. Lots of key bumps and popped pills would be replaced with a product that made it unnecessary.

> There's a good reason why these two things haven't been combined.

... they haven't? Some cafes serve alcohol-- several coffee/pastry shops in my city serve wine and cocktails. Even a few of the breakfast/lunch focused diners have full bars. Brunch is essentially breakfast with optional cocktails. Some bars serve coffee. I worked as a chef at a little rock club that was a portuguese expat bar during the day-- old timers would line up outside at 8am waiting for the doors to open up so they could sip espresso, read the newspaper, and chat. Some would occasionally have a brandy at some point, some would stay for lunch and have a beer. Many wouldn't, and were just there for the community.

One of the most popular nightclubs in a city I lived in opened at 2am-- after the legally mandated last call time-- and they never sold one drop of alcohol. Some people went there to use other kinds of drugs. Lots of people went there who didn't drink but enjoyed being in a nightclub atmosphere without the pressure to drink. Some were recovering alcoholics. Some just wanted to dance after other clubs had closed and drank a lot beforehand. Some were underage and it was the only club they could get into. Some tried to sneak their own alcohol in, though security was necessarily tight for legal reasons and they rarely succeeded.

One large raucous club I bounced at was near several large colleges. Knowing it was a magnet for bad behavior, the sports teams would send in members of their disciplinary staff undercover to spy on students-- I'll bet many of them would jump at the opportunity to drink something other than soda while finely controlling their intoxication level. Hell, I'll bet the higher-performing athletes would relish the opportunity to go to a frat party and drink alcohol as a social exercise without totally screwing up their training schedule. It would certainly make hazing a lot safer.

People's relationship with alcohol is just not that cut-and-dried. It's an incredibly complex topic, and you can't just take your experience and use case for something and superimpose it on the rest of humanity. It just doesn't work like that.

You know far less about this topic than you think you do.

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