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Evan - Twitter needs a better policy on Usernames

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Re: Evan - Twitter needs a better policy on Usernames

#11
Creating a new namespace is bad, because you renew the same old disputes that people have fought over in the old namespaces. Creating a new flat namespace is worse, because it intensifies the disputes.

DNS exists and at least it has a dispute resolution process; let's use it. (see Laconica)

Re: Evan - Twitter needs a better policy on Usernames

#13

This issue isn't unique to Twitter. Anyone who's building a site today is going to have these issues. We need some clever solutions here.

What if they allowed duplicate names? Navigating to twitter.com/username would then display everyone with that name (like how Wikipedia handles it). The chances that you are following more than one person with the same name is pretty slim. If that does happen, then you pick which one gets your @ replies.

Re: Evan - Twitter needs a better policy on Usernames

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post #2

So someone is complaining that they registered a bunch of names they thought would be monetarily valuable at a later date, and is complaining when the company that provides the service is disallowing him from doing it? Sorry, but that just earns a big f*ck you from me. I have no sorrow for domain squatters, and that extends to people who grabbed Facebook app names, Twitter names, whatever. Twitter isn't like the DNS…

First of, you could have skipped the insults. Apparently you do not know much about Steve. I recommend you go read some of his 70+ ideas he posted almost 2 years back.

Secondly, he saw an opportunity when most people did not, so he should totally benefit from it.

18 months ago, most people did not know about Twitter and they could not see it being useful to anyone. Steve did. You should go back to his blog entries at TechQuilaShots. He was sharing ideas on how businesses could take advantage of Twitter. Only a few read his blog and a fewer followed his advices. So he did it. Now they want to take that away from him. Not cool.

Re: Evan - Twitter needs a better policy on Usernames

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post #6
post #2

So someone is complaining that they registered a bunch of names they thought would be monetarily valuable at a later date, and is complaining when the company that provides the service is disallowing him from doing it? Sorry, but that just earns a big f*ck you from me. I have no sorrow for domain squatters, and that extends to people who grabbed Facebook app names, Twitter names, whatever. Twitter isn't like the DNS…

I'm siding with geius on this one. To the extent that no money changed hands and Steve wasn't paying them to use the celtics usename, then I think Twitter can do whatever they want whenever they want. It may not be good karma for them to take the names without warning, but Twitter's job is to pay the bills and keep the lights on, not turn down good exposure (and perhaps some coin) to keep one guy happy who didn't hav…

Of course Twitter can do whatever they want... the question is whether they should want to, in this case.

Re: Evan - Twitter needs a better policy on Usernames

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm siding with geius on this one. To the extent that no money changed hands and Steve wasn't paying them to use the celtics usename, then I think Twitter can do whatever they want whenever they want. It may not be good karma for them to take the names without warning, but Twitter's job is to pay the bills and keep the lights on, not turn down good exposure (and perhaps some coin) to keep one guy happy who didn't hav…

Define "right to a name". (I've actually got some potential thoughts, but I'd like to not poison the well.)

By "right to a name" I'm speaking specifically about Steve's right to own the Twitter username celtics. From a "first come, first serve" perspective, I suppose he has a right to use the username... until Twitter deems otherwise.

The terms of service said they could come and take it, and Steve's not paying them any money for exclusive use of the name, so from that standpoint I don't feel he has a right to use the username any more than the Boston Celtics do. It's Twitter - who owns the service - that I think has the right to do what they please.

I'm not saying that I agree with how they handled it and I can see why Steve is pissed off, but I don't think they have any obligation to let Steve keep the username.

Re: Evan - Twitter needs a better policy on Usernames

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post #13

This issue isn't unique to Twitter. Anyone who's building a site today is going to have these issues. We need some clever solutions here.

What if they allowed duplicate names? Navigating to twitter.com/username would then display everyone with that name (like how Wikipedia handles it). The chances that you are following more than one person with the same name is pretty slim. If that does happen, then you pick which one gets your @ replies.

I wouldn't want my competitors sharing a username with me.

Re: Evan - Twitter needs a better policy on Usernames

#18

This issue isn't unique to Twitter. Anyone who's building a site today is going to have these issues. We need some clever solutions here.

One solution is to expose unique IDs and allow people to hang nicks on those. Using email addresses or phone numbers goes most of the way toward this (it's not all the way, since people could get an email address or phone number that someone else used to have, at some ISPs or phone companies). However, there's a larger, related problem, which is the problem of identity: there is no foolproof way of identifying individuals, and the more you investigate, the more clear it becomes that existing attempts fail miserably for edge cases, and criminal / fraudulent activity is probably the longest edge.

Re: Evan - Twitter needs a better policy on Usernames

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post #10

If you don't like what Twitter is doing, leave. Twitter is a business, just like any other, ultimately, they own all the usernames, you're just using them, if they see a better way to assign a username, why would they not chose it? You're getting value out of the twitter network, and twitter has every right to do what makes more sense to them. If users don't like the decisions Twitter is making, they will leave and t…

While on one hand you make a point, on the other hand, perhaps this article can simply be considered community advice to Twitter: if Twitter wants to protect the stability of its platform then perhaps it should consider more explicitly stating its Terms of Service with respect to username ownership.

Re: Evan - Twitter needs a better policy on Usernames

#20
I do find the examples he uses somewhat laughable. He lost the name "celtics" for obvious reasons; it's tie to the Boston Celtics basketball team. But then he starts fear mongering with stuff like...

StockTwits just raised nearly $1 million — their business is based off Twitter. Definitely one of their assumptions is that they’ll be keeping their username ‘StockTwits’.

Yes because squatting on a name like 'celtics' is somehow similar to using a unique username that ties to the user/company who also owns the domain name that is the title of a service that they are providing?

Sorry, I just don't see the connection there. Just because the people at Twitter decided your username had better uses doesn't mean that they are going to arbitrarily start cutting off other usernames.

Of course, then he brings up the "...but others are doing it too!" argument as if that tactic has ever worked in defending someone's viewpoint...well...ever.

I apologize if I'm coming off harsh, I just really don't see why this situation is surprising or somehow wrong.

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