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Bossware is a big legal risk

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Re: Bossware is a big legal risk

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Does watching a video pause the timeout? If so, hypothetically one could stream or locally create a video with no contents but long duration.

Ah, that's an interesting point. I haven't tried to correlate that, but it must be true. For example, the screensaver never seems to appear during Zoom calls!

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Re: Bossware is a big legal risk

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I was surprised (perhaps I shouldn't have been) to encounter bossware-like surveilance in an interview process . About 6 months ago I was interviewing with InterSystems, a company that does healthcare software. Only when I signed in for the online coding interview did I learn that they required I have a webcam on myself the whole time. I don't like using coarse language. But it was the first time I struggled to not u…

I was asked to be recorded answering three stupid questions like "what motivates you?", "why do you want to work here?" etc. before attending a multi-stage interview. I never got invited to that interview, and I did wonder if I could take them to court, because my CV showed me as good fit for the job (literally ticked all the boxes), but they clearly rejected me based on the video. (In case you wonder why I thought I…

Perhaps during the video they discovered that they didn't like you.

Re: Bossware is a big legal risk

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Ah, that's an interesting point. I haven't tried to correlate that, but it must be true. For example, the screensaver never seems to appear during Zoom calls!

That might also be implemented as "don't start the screensaver if the camera is in use". Easy to detect in either /proc/ or /sys/, I forget which one I was fiddling with.

Nah, I know people who use Zoom for this purpose without the camera enabled. It's just Zoom invoking the OS's wake lock.

Re: Bossware is a big legal risk

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No kidding! We have some ridiculous timeout on our work machines that triggers the screensaver after 2 minutes of idle time (we can’t change this). After it’s triggered, you need to enter your password to unlock (company mandated, 10 chars minimum, no repeating chars, at least 1 upper and 1 lower case char, at least 1 special symbol, change every 90 days, can't be too similar to last 10(!) passwords). Okay, this is a…

I found nosleep.page a while back here, wonder if it would work for you?

If you're on a work VPN, presumably you wouldn't want this in the DNS logs. Best to make a local clone! Simply "Save" from the browser, assuming the whole trick is within a client-side script that doesn't phone home, which appears to be the case.

Re: Bossware is a big legal risk

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Can you answer this question directly: What is it that you don't want seen by a company representative, on a company computer, while being paid by the company?

Yesterday I was working and my three year old came running -- directly out of the shower -- into the room to show me her doll's "new hairstyle". Can you answer this directly: How many people's computers, servers, and backups should video of my child be on?

Please quote the part of my comment above where I said literally anything about a webcam.

Re: Bossware is a big legal risk

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I was surprised (perhaps I shouldn't have been) to encounter bossware-like surveilance in an interview process . About 6 months ago I was interviewing with InterSystems, a company that does healthcare software. Only when I signed in for the online coding interview did I learn that they required I have a webcam on myself the whole time. I don't like using coarse language. But it was the first time I struggled to not u…

I've started preemptively stipulating to recruiters that I will not accept spyware (including browser extensions and phone apps) or autoproctoring as part of the application process, nor will I subject myself to interviews with or evaluation by a large language model after encountering this nonsense once.

Re: Bossware is a big legal risk

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I was surprised (perhaps I shouldn't have been) to encounter bossware-like surveilance in an interview process . About 6 months ago I was interviewing with InterSystems, a company that does healthcare software. Only when I signed in for the online coding interview did I learn that they required I have a webcam on myself the whole time. I don't like using coarse language. But it was the first time I struggled to not u…

Cybersecurity nerd here, have talked to many platform and financial company CISO’s, security teams and recruiters over the past few years. Fake interviewees are pretty rampant. We’re getting to the point where presenting yourself in-person to a government representative, agency or a private attestation company will be part of the onboarding process. At this point it looks like it’ll be iris scans. In the US it’s even…

> then someone else shows up

someone else shows up ? what is the denominator

Re: Bossware is a big legal risk

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How can you vet a candidate remotely without having them on the cam? Especially today with all the LLMs, it's pretty much a hiring requirement if you can't bring the candidate in for an interview.

Easy, you ask them to talk you through their reasoning. LLM’s are fucking terrible at this for anything nontrivial.

while you say that, millions of dollars a month are being passed around to do exactly that.. right now in the USA
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