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Re: Face opera

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Post by tripzilch »

klausa wrote: post #18

I'm really baffled by all those people saying that they will stop using Opera if FB acquires them. I mean - okay, If they start modifying it to send your data to Facebook without way to opt-out - sure, do that. If they start showing ads in fastmail and reading your mails - sure, that's reasonable. But I really think that doing that the moment FB acquires Opera would be quite an overreaction.

Why? I'm already not using Facebook products because they have no respect for user privacy. IMO they have very definitely crossed a line in the past, several times even. That has consequences.

Additionally, Opera is the only European browser. That may sound stupid, but it's part of the things I can do to put as much distance between me and that messed up country the US of A. Getting bought by some huge US corporation is yet another vector to subpoena my shit or the US gov to influence my life.

Re: Face opera

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Post by untog »

budman wrote: post #7
chewxy wrote: post #2

I'll stop using Opera (currently my default browser) if facebook acquires it. Such is the level of trust I have over facebook.

+1 I have been a big fan of and user of Opera since it had banner ads in the free version. It has been a long time as my preferred default browser for home and work PC's. I'd even have it on my iPad if I could. But when I first heard this rumor over the weekend I felt in shock (and sick). I hate Facebook along with its smug a-hole founder. Never even had an account (although I do feel I missed out on some old connect…

But when I first heard this rumor over the weekend I felt in shock (and sick). I hate Facebook along with its smug a-hole founder.

Stop applying emotional attachments where they don't belong.

Re: Face opera

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Post by thatjoshguy »

ttt_ wrote: post #24
klausa wrote: post #18

I'm really baffled by all those people saying that they will stop using Opera if FB acquires them. I mean - okay, If they start modifying it to send your data to Facebook without way to opt-out - sure, do that. If they start showing ads in fastmail and reading your mails - sure, that's reasonable. But I really think that doing that the moment FB acquires Opera would be quite an overreaction.

I don't know. I'm quite worried that the whole technology space is turning into a big brand feud war arena. We are begining to see the subverting of unrelated products into business strategies. No, I don't want my browser/car/glasses/phone with any strings attached. What are we looking forward to a decade from now? iBank? FB insurence? G+ real state? I for one will make efforts to avoid those products like the plague…

> What are we looking forward to a decade from now? iBank? FB insurence? G+ real state?

GE sells refrigerators, MRI machines, insurance & financing and owns a television network.

We've actually already been there.

Re: Face opera

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Post by rmc »

Tomis02 wrote: post #34
bobsy wrote: post #14

I still don't see the value in it. It made sense when Google did it. Chrome came and shook things up introducing features no existing browsers had and placing an emphasis on JavaScript speed. This was critical for Google as a number of its apps make heavy use of it. I don't use Chrome anymore, I switched back to Firefox but its undeniable that it had a massive impact on the speed of browser development and probably t…

> introducing features no existing browsers had Please, elaborate. The only feature I know is exclusive to Chrome is full page translation (since they own Google Translate it makes sense). What else?

They stopped WebKit from being owned by Apple. Webkit supports lots of new CSS3 & HTML5 stuff, and for a while was the only way to use lots of the CSS3 stuff. This means you can get advantages of the modern web without relying on an Apple browser.

Re: Face opera

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Post by TazeTSchnitzel »

cateye wrote: post #30

The battle of the giants is really beginning: Apple, Microsoft, Facebook, Google and Amazon will be trying to define the future of the internet and they will have to attack each others core businesses to grow further. On several levels of the internet they all try to get a foot in: 1. Cloud: AWS, iCloud, Azure, Gdrive & App engine - Facebook hasn't got a storage or computation sollution 2. Social: Google+, Windows Li…

1. iCloud runs on AWS and Azure IIRC, it's really just AWS, Azure and App Engine. Unless you're referring to consumer cloud.

2. Apple has ping, but that doesn't really count.

3. Facebook is launching an app store.

4. Amazon has its own version of Android it uses for Kindle Fire. Sure, it's based on Google's Android, but they ripped out the Google bits.

5. That's true, Facebook doesn't yet have its own browser.

Re: Face opera

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Post by cshenoy »

Tomis02 wrote: post #40
bobsy wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought that they introduced. Sandboxing for individual tabs Ability to drag tabs between windows Isn't each tab a process or something so when you close it memory is freed? I am sure there are some other things. This is all I can think of off the top my head.

One process per tab is not a feature. It is (or should be) invisible for me, the user, and from my experience it creates more problems than it's worth (first time I tried Chrome it simply stopped my computer dead by running 10 heavy processes on a single-core CPU - so much for performance). It's a bad design decision that will only pay off when I have a 20-core CPU. Sandboxing for individual tabs? Just about the same…

Back when I switched from Firefox to Chrome, FF was a very heavy browser that took up a lot of memory. Chrome was very light-weight and nimble. Clearly, that has changed since then but it was a big competitive advantage.

One process per tab is a feature. If a tab crashed in FF, typically the whole browser would need to restart whereas in Chrome the tab could be closed and re-opened without affecting the other tabs. I think that's a pretty significant feature.

Auto-updating every 6 weeks is another feature. As a developer, I don't have to worry when an update comes out since I know 90%+ will be on the new version.

While I think part of the reason Chrome has a large market share is clearly because of Google, I don't think it's the main reason. There are many other factors.

Re: Face opera

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Post by plorkyeran »

bobsy wrote: post #36
Tomis02 wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> introducing features no existing browsers had Please, elaborate. The only feature I know is exclusive to Chrome is full page translation (since they own Google Translate it makes sense). What else?

I thought that they introduced. Sandboxing for individual tabs Ability to drag tabs between windows Isn't each tab a process or something so when you close it memory is freed? I am sure there are some other things. This is all I can think of off the top my head.

Opera 7 supported dragging tabs between windows back in 2003.

Re: Face opera

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Post by crag »

klausa wrote: post #18

I'm really baffled by all those people saying that they will stop using Opera if FB acquires them. I mean - okay, If they start modifying it to send your data to Facebook without way to opt-out - sure, do that. If they start showing ads in fastmail and reading your mails - sure, that's reasonable. But I really think that doing that the moment FB acquires Opera would be quite an overreaction.

Why are you baffled? FB doesn't have the best rep when it comes to privacy.

Re: Face opera

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Post by ZenPsycho »

enneff wrote: post #12
sparkie wrote: post #4

Opera really could set any price they want. The browser itself is worth far more than some crap like instagram - and Facebook really need it quite badly. I'll be disappointed if they don't get at least $2bn for it. :p

Why do they need it "quite badly"?

Facebook probably wants to do things with the web that are not currently possible. Without their own browser they are dependant on other companies to make those things happen.
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