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Dragonfly: An optical telescope built from an array of off-the-shelf Canon lens

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Re: Dragonfly: An optical telescope built from an array of off-the-shelf Canon lens

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This kind of a setup of a large number of small, cheap detectors works well for observing diffuse objects with low surface brightness. Generally speaking telescopes improve with size because larger telescopes can resolve smaller objects, so you can concentrate the light from your source into a smaller patch and increase the signal-to-noise with respect to the background. But once you have resolved the object (which doesn't require a very large diameter for a diffuse object) you no longer get any benefit from a larger telescope except for the greater light collecting power. So there's no benefit to having a single large mirror vs a large number of smaller detectors. Since it's a lot easier and cheaper to just buy a bunch of off the shelf components rather than build a large mirror from scratch that is what they did here.

A friend of mine in grad school worked on a project that is similar in spirit called ASAS-SN. It also used off the shelf cameras but distributed them around the world so that they could detect supernovae and other transients. Because everything was off the shelf they could build out their network on a shoestring budget. I think they're the first to discover the vast majority of all bright supernovae these days.

Re: Dragonfly: An optical telescope built from an array of off-the-shelf Canon lens

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This kind of a setup of a large number of small, cheap detectors works well for observing diffuse objects with low surface brightness. Generally speaking telescopes improve with size because larger telescopes can resolve smaller objects, so you can concentrate the light from your source into a smaller patch and increase the signal-to-noise with respect to the background. But once you have resolved the object (which d…

- "diffuse objects with low surface brightness"

Are things amateur photographers with small telescopes (and lots of patience) sometimes discover,

https://old.reddit.com/r/space/comments/13uco46/i_discovered... ("I discovered this planetary nebula using a $500 camera lens, now it carries my name")

https://www.astrobin.com/i9yy6f/ (18 hours!)

Re: Dragonfly: An optical telescope built from an array of off-the-shelf Canon lens

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This kind of a setup of a large number of small, cheap detectors works well for observing diffuse objects with low surface brightness. Generally speaking telescopes improve with size because larger telescopes can resolve smaller objects, so you can concentrate the light from your source into a smaller patch and increase the signal-to-noise with respect to the background. But once you have resolved the object (which d…

- "diffuse objects with low surface brightness" Are things amateur photographers with small telescopes (and lots of patience) sometimes discover, https://old.reddit.com/r/space/comments/13uco46/i_discovered... ( "I discovered this planetary nebula using a $500 camera lens, now it carries my name" ) https://www.astrobin.com/i9yy6f/ (18 hours!)

I was struggling to see the planetary nebula inside that blue circle before I realized that is the planetary nebula. cool!

Re: Dragonfly: An optical telescope built from an array of off-the-shelf Canon lens

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post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

- "diffuse objects with low surface brightness" Are things amateur photographers with small telescopes (and lots of patience) sometimes discover, https://old.reddit.com/r/space/comments/13uco46/i_discovered... ( "I discovered this planetary nebula using a $500 camera lens, now it carries my name" ) https://www.astrobin.com/i9yy6f/ (18 hours!)

I was struggling to see the planetary nebula inside that blue circle before I realized that is the planetary nebula. cool!

Somewhere there's a large, bright nebula in the shape of a red arrow no astronomer's ever noticed.

Re: Dragonfly: An optical telescope built from an array of off-the-shelf Canon lens

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Can someone smarter than me explain why astronmers can't stick something like this on the back of an existing geostationary platform (like what is used for the XM radio sattelites) and get amazing data out of them? Surely sticking something like this array 100km into space will yield better results without the overhead of a 20 year mission plan like James Webb or Hubble.

Re: Dragonfly: An optical telescope built from an array of off-the-shelf Canon lens

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This kind of a setup of a large number of small, cheap detectors works well for observing diffuse objects with low surface brightness. Generally speaking telescopes improve with size because larger telescopes can resolve smaller objects, so you can concentrate the light from your source into a smaller patch and increase the signal-to-noise with respect to the background. But once you have resolved the object (which d…

- "diffuse objects with low surface brightness" Are things amateur photographers with small telescopes (and lots of patience) sometimes discover, https://old.reddit.com/r/space/comments/13uco46/i_discovered... ( "I discovered this planetary nebula using a $500 camera lens, now it carries my name" ) https://www.astrobin.com/i9yy6f/ (18 hours!)

I still don’t understand how objects in space of that angular diameter are still being discovered. I would have to imagine lots of people have seen it, but just never chose to document or catalog it?

Re: Dragonfly: An optical telescope built from an array of off-the-shelf Canon lens

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Anyone know what sensor they are using behind all that nice Canon glass?

- "Each of the eight lenses in the array is connected to a Santa Barbara Imaging Group (SBIG) STF-8300M CCD camera. These cameras have Kodak KAF-8300 CCD detectors, which have a 3326 × 2504 pixel format." https://arxiv.org/abs/1401.5473 ( "Ultra Low Surface Brightness Imaging with the Dragonfly Telephoto Array" )

Thank you!

Re: Dragonfly: An optical telescope built from an array of off-the-shelf Canon lens

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Can someone smarter than me explain why astronmers can't stick something like this on the back of an existing geostationary platform (like what is used for the XM radio sattelites) and get amazing data out of them? Surely sticking something like this array 100km into space will yield better results without the overhead of a 20 year mission plan like James Webb or Hubble.

Not a professional so take this with a grain of salt but my guess would be weight first and foremost. From what I understand geostationary orbit isn’t cheap to get to and each added kilogram increases cost significantly. These lenses while not incredibly heavy are heavy enough to add a fair amount of cost.
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