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Selling 'Ghost in the Shell'

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Re: Selling 'Ghost in the Shell'

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Post by HenryBemis »

downrightmike wrote: post #172
bellboy_tech wrote: post #69

GITS is amazing as a design universe. The more you dig into the manga or movies (even the SACs) the deeper you get sucked in to what could be. From the vision of mind interfaces to the dream of mind across the net. It was WAY ahead of it's time and still stands up today. Every crevasse of the original Manga contains deep thought out design on what digital life could become. What constructs we become once we crossed t…

If you want a deeper look into the worlds of Anime at the time, I recommend: Anime Architecture : Imagined Worlds and Endless Megacities, Hardcover https://www.thamesandhudsonusa.com/books/anime-architecture-... Its a really cool book

I don't usually buy books 5mins after I see their title posted somewhere.. but seeing some of the drawings (and the topic) of the book, it is already on its way to me, and thank you for bringing it up!

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Post by mos_basik »

cjk2 wrote: post #6
nanna wrote: post #4

I feel like I haven't seen an anime in years that's been in the same league as Akira or the great Miyazakis (Spirited Away, Princess Mononoke, Totoro). Yes i'd be brutal and include Miyazakis following works in that list, from Howls Moving Castle to The Boy and the Heron. Ive seen lots of incredible animation, sure, but nothing like the cinematic depth. What am I missing? What should an old fart who's becoming convin…

There is good stuff out there. I watched Pantheon and Scavengers Reign recently, both excellent, but not old stable anime. Scavengers Reign: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWQH8cMpWTU Pantheon: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_HJ3TSlo5c

Because a sibling comment said Pantheon trailer looked like Stephenson, I watched it.

To me it looks like Greg Egan's Permutation City, which I found via HN and which made me inhale about seven more of his books in quick succession.

To anyone who's consumed both - is it actually like Permutation City? Or is that too much to hope for?

I'll check it out!

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Post by webdoodle »

chambers wrote: post #21

I rewatched Ghost in the Shell recently and I was struck by how poorly it aged. Its animation holds up but its story felt weaker than I remembered. Like the director reached for something deep, couldn't get ahold of it, and then covered his tracks behind wordy philosophy.

I like to watch it with the subtitltes and dubbing. The dubbing is usually so dumbed down as to make it a completely different show.

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Post by DrPhish »

creamyhorror wrote: post #217
nanna wrote: post #4

I feel like I haven't seen an anime in years that's been in the same league as Akira or the great Miyazakis (Spirited Away, Princess Mononoke, Totoro). Yes i'd be brutal and include Miyazakis following works in that list, from Howls Moving Castle to The Boy and the Heron. Ive seen lots of incredible animation, sure, but nothing like the cinematic depth. What am I missing? What should an old fart who's becoming convin…

You need to see Samurai Champloo if you haven't. It's twenty years old but absolutely timeless. Reposting my comment from elsewhere here: For something more fantastical, To Your Eternity , an adventure that makes you feel and hurt. Frieren: Beyond Journey's End for an adventure that's both young and grown-up - it only came out recently, but has instantly been acclaimed as a modern classic. For something more childlik…

On the ODDTAXI front, I can recommend the currently running "Roots of Odd Taxi (RoOT)" series. Its a nice side-story that adds a lot of texture without making the original worse. Also, the "ODDTAXI in the Woods" movie version definitely added a lot and tied things up in a way that the series didn't.

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Post by rekabis »

kagakuninja wrote: post #55
rekabis wrote: post #35

The author fails in their understanding of Animé’s history in North America. While certain series such as The White Lion, Astroboy, Space Battleship Yamato (marketed over here as Starblazors) and Captain Harlock did see airtime first, it was Robotech - the Harmony Gold Frankenstein of three completely unrelated Animé series - that kicked off the process in 1984. It was Robotech that threw rocket fuel onto the burning…

As a member of the underground anime scene, starting in the late 70s, I have a different perspective. Harmony Gold did nothing to actually promote anime, beyond hyping their own products. Robotech was the English translated anime that happened to be on air in the US when the necessary conditions for the anime explosion were in place. Those conditions were: Affordable VCRs (in the 70s, they cost as much as a small car…

> Harmony Gold did nothing to actually promote anime, beyond hyping their own products. Robotech was the English translated anime that happened to be on air in the US

And because it was in syndication, smack-dab in the centre of at least one major TV network that had Saturday morning cartoons, it was in front of _tens of millions_ of young children.

That is why I highlight Robotech, instead of all the other series that came before it. Yes, Astro Boy and The White Lion came earlier, but they mostly showed on PBS and in non-standard time slots. I don’t recall them ever showing in the 0800-1100hrs Saturday morning time slots on any regular channel. But Robotech did.

Captain Harlock was available in Canada, but only in Québecois, and again - not in a standard time slot. You had to wake up at 0630hrs on Saturday morning to catch it on channel 12, which few kids did.

So yeah, I don’t dispute that the other factors you mentioned helped, but it was the time slot on Saturday morning which was the rocket fuel that made all the difference.

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Post by persnickety »

chpatrick wrote: post #79
duggan wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m slowly working my way through Scavengers Reign, it’s absolutely brilliant — somewhere between Alien and Stanislaw Lem’s The Invincible.

It reminded me of Lem's Eden as well.

Having just watched Scavenger's Reign, it differs from both Lem novels in an important way. Lem uses characters as an excuse to tell something about the portrayed worlds. Scavenger's Reign uses the world as a backdrop to tell the story of the characters.

(Same goes for Solaris, although Tarkovsky's adaptation reverses that.)

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