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Re: How to get 7th graders to smoke

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This brought back memories of the D.A.R.E. officer coming to my elementary classroom to give us the "don't do drugs" speech. At the end of the speech with feigning hesitation he'd pull out the drug briefcase to the cheers of the kids, like a band holding out their best song for the encore. "This here is methamphetamine, aka crystal meth or speed. If you see a man running down the street with the strength of a bear, t…

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Re: How to get 7th graders to smoke

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I’m referring to throwing up preventing negative health outcomes rather than death. You can throw up from excessive smoking, but it’s not going to help for inhaled or injected drugs. OD refers to excessive consumption or negative heath outcomes, so yes and sort of. With alcohol people will sometimes throw up before all that much alcohol enters the bloodstream, throwing up may qualify on its own but may prevent things…

The first sentence is ignoring the affect alcohol has on the liver.

Liver damage requires alcohol in the bloodstream at extreme levels or very long term habitual use.

So for a collage kid throwing up really does provide meaningful protection for their liver. Though obviously it comes with its own risks of asphyxiation etc.

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See, this is where LSD gets interesting. No, LSD won't kill your body. But what are you ? You aren't just your body, you are your mind and mental state and the consistency of that. Do enough LSD, especially consistent high doses, and the "you" you know will die and be permanently replaced by something else. I of course agree that LSD won't put you in a coffin. But there are more axes upon which a drug's danger should…

I really hate the “LSD is safe” mantra people have. I had a college roommate who did a shit ton of LSD one night and I woke up to the fire alarm having been pulled and him punching holes in the wall. The police (fire department called the police) dragged him off and the hospital had to give him a bunch of antidepressants to short circuit the LSD. He was literally not the same person ever again. That is terrifying, ev…

Literally not the same as in personality change or as in unable to stick to reality after?

Re: How to get 7th graders to smoke

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Right, I was a smoker for many years, the but the actual conversion rate of "drug users" to "drug addicts" is surprisingly low. The overwhelming majority of people who smoke their first cigarette will not die a smoking related death. And cigarettes are probably the most extreme example. How many people who try cocaine end up being the poster case for DARE? It's virtually no one. The risk analysis for having fun with…

I wish you could just buy single cigarettes rather than always getting a pack. I feel that's a big part of the problem right there. It would be like only being able to buy wine in boxes of 20, or beers in crates of 30. Once you have it, you're much more likely to use it. I just want a beer or a bottle of wine this Friday evening, and maybe after that I want a cigarette. And that's it.

Absolutely. You could taper off really easily with loosies while with 20 packs, you end up smoking the whole thing and get addicted again.

Re: How to get 7th graders to smoke

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Contrarian view - the programs are working. Rates of smoking among teens over the past three decades: Ever used nicotine: 70.1% in 1991 to 17.8% in 2021; Occasional use of nicotine: 27.5% in 1991 to 3.8% in 2021; Frequent use of nicotine: 12.7% to 0.7%; Daily use of nicotine: 9.8% in 1991 to 0.6% in 2021 https://www.fau.edu/newsdesk/articles/teen-cigarette-smoking... I suspect the same can be said for workplace sexua…

This isn't contrarian, this is just correct and well understood. What's contrarian is the article suggesting that any attempts to change people's behavior, no matter how well intentioned thought-out, actually result in the opposite of the desired outcome.

Re: How to get 7th graders to smoke

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Show them a Quentin Tarantino film? ...or any film for that matter where the main characters seem so "cool, unfazed and untouchable". To a young (mostly male) mind, that's the ultimate goal; to be in charge. For most beginning smokers, it's not about the inhalation of tobacco, but the subversive "screw the rules, those don't apply to me" façade. This might sound obvious but, if we want 7th graders not to glorify smok…

Rather than uncool, just kill them. In british historical drama there is an old standard that any character that coughs will soon die. If the butler even sniffles, they are doomed. So make smoking the new coughing. The kids will then associated smoking with death, living in fear every time their favorite characters go anywhere near cigarettes.

> In british historical drama there is an old standard that any character that coughs will soon die.

That reminds me of the classic short-film subversion of this trope: The Man Who Has a Cough and it's Just a Cough and He's Fine

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtQNULEudss&t=67s

Re: How to get 7th graders to smoke

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I really hate the “LSD is safe” mantra people have. I had a college roommate who did a shit ton of LSD one night and I woke up to the fire alarm having been pulled and him punching holes in the wall. The police (fire department called the police) dragged him off and the hospital had to give him a bunch of antidepressants to short circuit the LSD. He was literally not the same person ever again. That is terrifying, ev…

I don't understand how anyone who has ever taken LSD can say that it's safe. Maybe at low doses. Once you can't seperate fantasy from reality you're just one bad trip from falling out of a window you thought was a door. edit: The responses here just seem like denialism from people who got lucky to be honest. You can be aware that you are tripping and still imagine that something is something else. Roads looked like f…

One rumor I've seen is that dealers have been replacing LSD with NBOM which has a significantly higher chance of causing a psychotic break and is harder to safely dose. This gets back to the big problem with illegal drugs isn't the drugs, it the illegal.

Re: How to get 7th graders to smoke

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I really hate the “LSD is safe” mantra people have. I had a college roommate who did a shit ton of LSD one night and I woke up to the fire alarm having been pulled and him punching holes in the wall. The police (fire department called the police) dragged him off and the hospital had to give him a bunch of antidepressants to short circuit the LSD. He was literally not the same person ever again. That is terrifying, ev…

I don't understand how anyone who has ever taken LSD can say that it's safe. Maybe at low doses. Once you can't seperate fantasy from reality you're just one bad trip from falling out of a window you thought was a door. edit: The responses here just seem like denialism from people who got lucky to be honest. You can be aware that you are tripping and still imagine that something is something else. Roads looked like f…

Have you ever done it?

Because what you’re describing doesn’t resemble LSD at all. You’re describing deleriants like datura if anything.

Re: How to get 7th graders to smoke

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This brought back memories of the D.A.R.E. officer coming to my elementary classroom to give us the "don't do drugs" speech. At the end of the speech with feigning hesitation he'd pull out the drug briefcase to the cheers of the kids, like a band holding out their best song for the encore. "This here is methamphetamine, aka crystal meth or speed. If you see a man running down the street with the strength of a bear, t…

Do you feel the same way about sex ed? In other words, is exposing children to sexual education actually encouraging them to have premarital or unsafe sex?

The problem with DARE is that the message was "all drugs will kill you and your family if you so much as look in their direction, call the cops anytime you see anyone who looks even a bit drugged out".

Then some kids try some pot and discover that DARE was full of shit and they disregard the entire message or even rebel against it. Education programs are counterproductive when they are loaded with misinformation.

Re: How to get 7th graders to smoke

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> Most people throw up rather than OD on Alcohol. If you take enough of a drug that it makes you throw up, you did overdose. 'Overdose' doesn't mean you died. Fatal overdoses just get talked about more than other overdoses because they're the most harmful kind of overdose.

If people regularly 'overdosed' on heroin by throwing up and feeling like shit for a day, with the same kind of survival rate that drinkers 'overdose' at, opioids wouldn't be killing tens of thousands of people a year. Alcohol abuse either kills people in the long term, or combined with automobiles. Very few people have a bit too much to drink some night and actually die from it. You'll generally black out long befor…

Yes, heroin overdose is much more often fatal than alcohol overdose.

(That doesn't change what the word 'overdose' means. If you want to be more specific than the word is, feel free to use adjectives, e.g., 'fatal overdose', 'deadly overdose', etc.)

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