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New gel breaks down alcohol in the body

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Re: New gel breaks down alcohol in the body

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Post by 4ggr0 »

BxGyw2 wrote: post #204
Spivak wrote: post #128

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This reminds me so much of the advice people give folks with adhd, just get organized, use a calendar, use a pomodoro timer. If that stuff worked for me I wouldn't have adhd. If exercising restraint worked no one would have alcoholism. It's not a moral failing, it's a physical condition.

all of those things you listed are good methods that generally help adhd people work better??

Well, it can certainly help them but it's similar to telling depressed people that they should just exercise, read books and be happy. If I'd be that easy, it wouldn't be that much of an issue.

I'm ADD and telling me to just get organized or start using a pomodoro timer is pretty boilerplate, worthless advice.

Re: New gel breaks down alcohol in the body

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Post by 4ggr0 »

hi-v-rocknroll wrote: post #129
BobaFloutist wrote: post #127

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Holy shit, four aspirins with every drink? How much do you hate your liver?

It's not aspirin. That would be toxic and fucking stupid. It's a mix of vitamins and amino acids.

The active ingredients in RU-21 are 250mg Aspirin and 50mg Caffeine...

https://www.ru21.com/cdn/shop/products/StudioSession-571_480...

Re: New gel breaks down alcohol in the body

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Post by colechristensen »

skrebbel wrote: post #201
colechristensen wrote: post #58

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I learned about this and it does work in my experience, best if taken both at the beginning and end of the night. While it doesn’t alleviate all of the hangover symptoms it does nearly eliminate all of the most unpleasant ones.

Which are the pleasant hangover symptoms?

I said it eliminates the most unpleasant ones, leaving the less unpleasant or neutral ones. I did meet a woman once who never got hangovers but instead a mild euphoric high, almost certainly some unusual GABA related brain chemistry.

For the rest of us though, what’s left over is a mild lethargic unfocused feeling, no headaches or nausea just a strong need not to be bothered and lay around all morning.

Re: New gel breaks down alcohol in the body

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Post by shepherdjerred »

4ggr0 wrote: post #221
BxGyw2 wrote: post #204

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all of those things you listed are good methods that generally help adhd people work better??

Well, it can certainly help them but it's similar to telling depressed people that they should just exercise, read books and be happy. If I'd be that easy, it wouldn't be that much of an issue. I'm ADD and telling me to just get organized or start using a pomodoro timer is pretty boilerplate, worthless advice.

Exactly. The advice is correct but unactionable.

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Post by idontpost »

prmoustache wrote: post #182
idontpost wrote: post #92

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I now alternate between regular beer and NA beer. I get to drink as much as I want, I do enjoy the taste, and I don't get drunk or hungover.

I am not looking at being drunk while having beers but haven't found a non-alcoholic beer yet that would be nearly drinkable.

Athletic are all solid 7-8 out of 10 IMO.

Not "this is so good you have to try it", but better than a lot of real beers.

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Post by filleduchaos »

wubrr wrote: post #168
filleduchaos wrote: post #148

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Addiction is a psychological disorder - it is not at all a matter of self-control. Just as being sad is not the same thing as being clinically depressed, and worrying about a review is not the same thing as having an anxiety disorder, people need to stop equating really liking something and being addicted to said thing.

> Addiction is a psychological disorder - it is not at all a matter of self-control. And self-control is not psychological? > people need to stop equating really liking something and being addicted to said thing. Self control is precisely the difference between really linking something and consuming a reasonable/healthy amount of it vs being addicted to it and overconsuming.

> And self-control is not psychological?

The disorder that you dropped from "psychological" is actually semantically important, you know.

> Self control is precisely the difference between really linking something and consuming a reasonable/healthy amount of it vs being addicted to it and overconsuming.

If you were unable to get the hint from the other examples I gave, I'll be plain: you are terribly mistaken, addiction is a disorder of the brain.

What moral failing do you assume people with mood or anxiety disorders have?

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Post by try_the_bass »

fragmede wrote: post #146
wubrr wrote: post #123

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It's 100% a matter of self-control.

No it's not. That's a lazy way of thinking. Addiction isn't that simple, and deluding yourself into thinking it's that simple does yourself a disservice. It's not a moral failing, it's a disease.

And it's not lazy or delusional to claim addiction is as simple as being a disease?

If anything, that's a more lazy approach than saying it's a failing of self-control, which is itself a complicated and complex issue (hence my paragraphs and qualifications and whatnot above).

Writing it off as "a disease" removes all agency from the individual involved, whose lack of self-control is probably why they're addicted in the first place. That's true regardless of whether or not the addiction itself is a disease or a lack of self-control.

Saying "it's a disease" is also hugely insulting to the many people who have broken addictions by improving their self control. Even if you consider it a "disease", every person who has accomplished this has proven that the cure sometimes really is "improve your self-control".

And if that works in some cases, how can you prove whether or not it will work in another case without trying it first?

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Post by try_the_bass »

KittenInABox wrote: post #119
try_the_bass wrote: post #107

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> This is such unhelpful, unsympathetic advice. I think writing this advice off as unhelpful is actually more harmful than offering it in the first place. I think this is very real and very helpful advice. Is it hard to follow? Speaking from experience: absolutely. Self-control is like a muscle: exercise it frequently, and it gets stronger. It also gets tired and needs rest, and it atrophies with disuse. And like exe…

> Self-control is like a muscle: exercise it frequently, and it gets stronger. It also gets tired and needs rest, and it atrophies with disuse. Addiction is not a matter of self-control.

It absolutely is. Most people become addicted to something because they lacked the self-control to say "no" the first time... And the second time... And so on until it became an addiction.

Also, by saying this you're insulting every person who has broken an addiction by way of exercising their self-control until it's strong enough to overcome the addiction. Some of us don't appreciate that.

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Post by qwerty456127 »

misja111 wrote: post #195
Jensson wrote: post #187

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You could invent resistant bacteria that eats all the sugar in your stomach. There are already such but they are lethal if you don't do much about them, but maybe it is possible to make nice versions of them that just eats sugar and don't kill you by eating everything.

Ehm, we humans need a certain amount of blood sugar to survive. Having such a resistant bacteria living in my stomach seems a terrible idea ..

Sure, humans need a certain amount of blood sugar but don't need any amount of dietary sugar.
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