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New gel breaks down alcohol in the body

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Re: New gel breaks down alcohol in the body

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Sure, but maybe it's a really powerful drug that has a small effective dose for some people?

I have known some people to have an absurdly low tolerance (or at least act drunk after two standard drinks), but I don't think it's that common. I do have plenty of friends who drink in moderation simply because they enjoy the taste of beer/wine and almost never get drunk (they might drink enough to be drunk once a year). I think the comparison is most understandable when you compare alcohol to caffeine. Some people…

Don't know how common it is, but my tolerance is super low.

Even a single sip of wine, and I'll start to feel pressure in temples. One full glass and my head movement -> visual perception latency will be noticeable, and my words will start a bit getting in the order wrong. That one glass will also hit me like a sleeping pill within an hour. And if it's beer or red wine, I'll enjoy itchy arms, chest, and legs for a couple of hours.

So partially a reaction to alcohol (the sleepiness for sure) and partially an allergic reaction to tannins/hops/etc.

I love a riesling or a mint mojito, but I keep to probably one drink every few months... and then regret it all over again.

On the other hand, there's so many alcoholics in my extended family and my best friends growing up, that I consider my body's rejection of alcohol to be a strong contributor to me being successful in life and work.

Re: New gel breaks down alcohol in the body

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I honestly don't "get" why someone would use this? It doesn't reverse intoxication, and it doesn't prevent alcohol from entering the bloodstream. I get that alcoholic drinks taste better than their non-alcoholic counterparts (frozen margaritas are so much better than slush puppies,) but this won't prevent the buzz / intoxication.

Depending on the time of action it could be very useful in addressing the "lag" in alcohol hitting your system. If someone is drinking heavily, they regularly reach an uncomfortable level of intoxication before all the alcohol in their stomach has been absorbed. This could help folks in that situation.

Re: New gel breaks down alcohol in the body

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I honestly wonder whether people would drink alcohol if there weren't intoxicating effects. What I mean is, does anyone really believe that alcohol is pleasant to drink or is that purely a trick of the mind/body to get you to satisfy the craving?

It's both right? Alcohol is a dopaminergic[1] in all amounts. Your brain, to some degree, likes you drinking (which may be offset by side effects). A much smaller group of people genuinely enjoy the taste and physical experience of drinking alcohol. Non-alcoholic taste-matched substitutes are common. I strongly suspect that, if alcohol was banned, you would see a bigger market for taste-matched "mocktails" with the s…

> no market

Mocktail mixers are a small but readily available product, e.g. Seedlip.

Re: New gel breaks down alcohol in the body

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Jim Koch, founder and brewer of Sam Adams, says that he mixes a teaspoon of bakers yeast (not sure which) and yogurt to break down the alcohol before it hits the bloodstream and has been doing it for years if not decades. https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2014/07/10/327854051/al...

One guy says it works. The rest of the article is about a small experiment that showed otherwise. Then it quotes experts who explain why it doesn't work and called it an urban legend.

Re: New gel breaks down alcohol in the body

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post #103

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It's both right? Alcohol is a dopaminergic[1] in all amounts. Your brain, to some degree, likes you drinking (which may be offset by side effects). A much smaller group of people genuinely enjoy the taste and physical experience of drinking alcohol. Non-alcoholic taste-matched substitutes are common. I strongly suspect that, if alcohol was banned, you would see a bigger market for taste-matched "mocktails" with the s…

> no market Mocktail mixers are a small but readily available product, e.g. Seedlip.

Oh! That's great. The mocktails I've seen are generally complex, well-crafted drinks that are missing the bite that makes alcoholic drinks so satisfying to sip. I guess I need to check out more mocktails.

Re: New gel breaks down alcohol in the body

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Have you ever struggled with addiction (food, drink, drugs, media, games, sleep, porn etc.)? I can't provide a study, but anecdotally I suspect nearly everyone does. > Show some discipline and restraint This is such unhelpful, unsympathetic advice.

> This is such unhelpful, unsympathetic advice.

I think writing this advice off as unhelpful is actually more harmful than offering it in the first place. I think this is very real and very helpful advice. Is it hard to follow? Speaking from experience: absolutely.

Self-control is like a muscle: exercise it frequently, and it gets stronger. It also gets tired and needs rest, and it atrophies with disuse.

And like exercise, it's almost always beneficial. Even folks with physical disabilities see very real benefits from exercise, even when it's hard and painful! I used to live next door to a man who walked with a cane and very obviously struggled to go up and down stairs... And yet any time I would offer him help, he would refuse, because he knew the effort would keep him as mobile and active as he could be, given his circumstances--and do accept that help would actually harm him in the long run by accelerating the decline in his abilities. I doubt I would have his level of discipline were I in his situation, and to this day I envy that of him.

I think going so far as to say "telling someone to exercise self-control is unhelpful/unsympathetic" is exactly analogous to telling someone exercise is harmful. Not "too much exercise is harmful", but "any exercise is harmful", which is obviously untrue.

I'll be the first to acknowledge that humans are innately lazy, and that exercise is hard/boring/inconvenient/whatever. However, we do no one justice by giving them reasons to excuse that laziness. Justifying a lack of internal effort/ability should be and explanation of last resort, not the baseline.

Put differently: very few people are physically incapable of doing a pushup (or whatever other basic exercise you want to reference) due to actual physical limitations. Most who cannot simply haven't put in the work to reach the point where they can.

[E] This turned out longer than I anticipated. It turns out I feel strongly about this, and feel like this is one of the most toxic aspects of the society I feel like I inhabit. People should be encouraged to push their abilities, not given excuses not to. It's all too easy to accept those excuses as truth, and this prevents us all from reaching our highest potential. This feels like a net harm to society and a driver of very real inequality

Re: New gel breaks down alcohol in the body

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Take it a couple of hours before drinking. You won't feel as drunk and will have less of a hangover.

An older method is to eat a couple of tablespoons of butter 30 min before the first drink. Works quite well to reduce the effects of alcohol.

Or any other food with lots of fat. The fat makes the body absorb the alcohol slower.

And drinking lots of water just before sleeping greatly reduces hangovers.

What also works, is drinking in moderation ..

Re: New gel breaks down alcohol in the body

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Something to sober you up if you're already drunk would be amazing, but I don't think this will do that

disulfiram will do it ... in a more philosophical sense. also known as antabuse. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disulfiram (if you take it, you will get sick if you drink alcohol) Personally, tequila works on me in a similar way when I smell it.

Naltrexone is a good alternative to this that doesn't make you physically sick. It just dulls the effect to the point where you kinda just get bored of drinking.
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