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Broadcom is bloodthirsty and I'd suggest they're doing this out of the goodness of their hearts but there is little evidence that they have one.
Given that this is owned Broadcom now, and they are going all in with squeezing every last drop from ESXi and similar offerings, I wonder what's gonna happen with Fusion in the future; while now you only pay for commercial usage, maybe they are going to let it rot over the years until it's no longer cutting edge software? Would they keep it as a loss-leader?
Desktop virtualization products used to bring the secret sauce with them; now that every OS ships with a well-integrated and well supported type 1 hypervisor they have lost much of the reason for existing. There's only so much UI you can put in front of off-the-shelf os features and still charge hundreds of dollars per year for.
I've mixed feelings on this. One side I love it's free, the annual pricing seems reasonable to what it was. On the other, i've been so burned by their pricing for everything else with clients that i'm reticent to be thankful. I suppose it's a step in the right direction, bringing back ESXI for homelab users would be a good step too.
It would be interesting if they did. So many have now tried Proxmox and liked it.
I've mixed feelings on this. One side I love it's free, the annual pricing seems reasonable to what it was. On the other, i've been so burned by their pricing for everything else with clients that i'm reticent to be thankful. I suppose it's a step in the right direction, bringing back ESXI for homelab users would be a good step too.
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Fusion became basically worthless when you couldn't easily run Intel Windows on a Mac anymore because the underlying processor changed.
... I've had a Fusion licence since v10 was current (~2017) and I don't think I've used it to run Windows even once.
In terms of people who might consider Fusion you have:
- People who only use Windows
- People who only use macOS
- People who only use Linux
- People who virtualize Windows on macOS
- People who virtualize Linux on macOS
- People who run FreeBSD or similar on their computers
- People who virtualize FreeBSD or similar on macOS
- People who virtualize various operating systems on Windows
- People who virtualize various operating systems on Linux
- People who virtualize various operating systems on FreeBSD or similar
And I would guess that the largest group of people that use Fusion use it for running Windows in a VM on macOS.
I would guess that the people who develop for Linux servers would mainly use Docker if they run macOS, and that also relies on VM, but not using Fusion.
Orbstack now serves 100% of my virtualization and docker needs on macOS. Hopefully I'll never feel the need to install virtualbox or fusion or parallels ever again.
Given that this is owned Broadcom now, and they are going all in with squeezing every last drop from ESXi and similar offerings, I wonder what's gonna happen with Fusion in the future; while now you only pay for commercial usage, maybe they are going to let it rot over the years until it's no longer cutting edge software? Would they keep it as a loss-leader?
If you want to virtualize something with good performance on desktop windows you use Hyper-V; if you want to do it on mac you use Apple's Virtualization Framework; if you want to do it on Linux you use KVM. Desktop virtualization products used to bring the secret sauce with them; now that every OS ships with a well-integrated and well supported type 1 hypervisor they have lost much of the reason for existing. There's…
Given that this is owned Broadcom now, and they are going all in with squeezing every last drop from ESXi and similar offerings, I wonder what's gonna happen with Fusion in the future; while now you only pay for commercial usage, maybe they are going to let it rot over the years until it's no longer cutting edge software? Would they keep it as a loss-leader?
If you want to virtualize something with good performance on desktop windows you use Hyper-V; if you want to do it on mac you use Apple's Virtualization Framework; if you want to do it on Linux you use KVM. Desktop virtualization products used to bring the secret sauce with them; now that every OS ships with a well-integrated and well supported type 1 hypervisor they have lost much of the reason for existing. There's…
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... I've had a Fusion licence since v10 was current (~2017) and I don't think I've used it to run Windows even once.
I wonder how common that is though. In terms of people who might consider Fusion you have: - People who only use Windows - People who only use macOS - People who only use Linux - People who virtualize Windows on macOS - People who virtualize Linux on macOS - People who run FreeBSD or similar on their computers - People who virtualize FreeBSD or similar on macOS - People who virtualize various operating systems on Win…
I do use Fusion as well (on my laptop), and have a Windows VM there as well, but solely to run older games. Works fine.