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It's A Dirty Job, And I Love It

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Re: It's A Dirty Job, And I Love It

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Post by swombat »

HeyLaughingBoy wrote: post #9
swombat wrote: post #3

Why not follow both your passions AND the opportunities around you? Why does it have to be an either/or thing? If you're passionate about something, chances are you'll spot opportunities to do it. "Follow your opportunities" is good advice, but this article fails to realise that some (most?) of us won't feel that we've fulfilled our purpose in life (irrespective of religious considerations - I'm talking about that se…

There's nothing wrong with your advice. The problem is that too many people think they must find their passion in their work and that's a tall order to fill. Far easier to work to pay the bills and indulge your passions after that's done.

I disagree with that. I enjoy what I'm doing, I'm passionate about it, and having done it the other way as well, I wouldn't change back. It's great to wake up in the morning and think "Yes! I'm going to spend all day working!" without a trace of sarcasm.

Some people may be able to do a job that they hate, but it saps my soul.

Re: It's A Dirty Job, And I Love It

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Post by HeyLaughingBoy »

ercowo wrote: post #8

a common thread seems to be working outside and/or working with animals. I'm convinced that there are qualities to these jobs that resonate more with our innate (evolved) abilities than a desk / programming job. I'm thinking of taking 3-4 months off to volunteer in a national park (or something like that) between my current job and my next

There is something to that. I live on a farm and while I bitch about going outside in subzero temperatures to care for the animals, there is a satisfaction in doing the basic, hard physical work that I don't get from sitting at a desk programming.

We are definitely hardwired to be outside and it's sad that we spend so much of our time indoors. Surrounded by the white silence of snow, admiring the beauty of sundogs on a -10F morning is an amazing way to begin a workday.

And starting out your day sliding around in mud & chickenshit certainly gives you perspective when listening to some drone in a meeting :-)

Re: It's A Dirty Job, And I Love It

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Post by dbooher »

swombat wrote: post #11
HeyLaughingBoy wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's nothing wrong with your advice. The problem is that too many people think they must find their passion in their work and that's a tall order to fill. Far easier to work to pay the bills and indulge your passions after that's done.

I disagree with that. I enjoy what I'm doing, I'm passionate about it, and having done it the other way as well, I wouldn't change back. It's great to wake up in the morning and think "Yes! I'm going to spend all day working!" without a trace of sarcasm. Some people may be able to do a job that they hate, but it saps my soul.

I'm glad you enjoy your job. I share your sentiments as well, but I think what the parent was talking about, is that some kids are thrown "Follow your dreams" so much that they are paralyzed by it. You and I are lucky to have found our passion now, but what were you doing before you found your passion? Some kids don't know their passion yet, and hence can't stand to work any job; doing anything, even sticking with a "random" faculty seems betrayal to their true calling. I've seen so many people who just wont do anything with their lives while they're just "waiting" for that feeling to kick in. They go to a job and come home navel gazing, thinking "is this it? is this it?" and when no magical sparks happen in the first week, they decide this isn't for them and is beneath them, and quit or just don't show up. Same thing in relationships: we're fed 'if you find the right person it'll be perfect bliss' so often that we're not willing to just do the dirty work, and find happiness in it. In short, we are a generation that doesn't know how to "settle". "Settling" and "Contentment" are shameful words in our society.

Re: It's A Dirty Job, And I Love It

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Post by dbooher »

mlLK wrote: post #5
Tichy wrote: post #2

Hm, the scary thing is, I think if my true passion was picking up road kill, I would probably never find out. It would never have occured to me to try that profession. So I am doomed :-(

I picked up roadkill for two summers in a row while working for the DPW, but we never called it roadkill, we denoted the dearly departed as 'buddies'. It was sorta funny since you may wonder, "Where do all them buddies go after you get done pickin em all up?" They all went in this 12ft hole known as the buddy pit.

"buddy pit", haha, Glorious =)

i'll take spontaneous ironic humour like that over the artificial corporate "team building/inspirational" talk any day of the (work)week.

Re: It's A Dirty Job, And I Love It

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Post by swombat »

dbooher wrote: post #13
swombat wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I disagree with that. I enjoy what I'm doing, I'm passionate about it, and having done it the other way as well, I wouldn't change back. It's great to wake up in the morning and think "Yes! I'm going to spend all day working!" without a trace of sarcasm. Some people may be able to do a job that they hate, but it saps my soul.

I'm glad you enjoy your job. I share your sentiments as well, but I think what the parent was talking about, is that some kids are thrown "Follow your dreams" so much that they are paralyzed by it. You and I are lucky to have found our passion now, but what were you doing before you found your passion? Some kids don't know their passion yet, and hence can't stand to work any job; doing anything, even sticking with a…

I see what you're saying, and I agree. That's why I say you should follow both passions and opportunities. Certainly if all the good opportunities aren't stuff that you're that passionate about, you should follow the opportunities - while looking out for more appropriate opportunities.

I did, however, get the impression, from the article, that it implied you should forget about passion and just do what everyone else doesn't want to do. That to me is just as stupid as what you're describing (following passions only).

Re: It's A Dirty Job, And I Love It

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Post by tallanvor »

swilliams wrote: post #10
peregrine wrote: post #6

Mike Rowe is a great guy, and this was a great article. This is why I come to hacker news.

"What does surprise me is the fact that everybody I've met on this gig--with the possible exception of the lamb--seems to be having a ball." I love Mike Rowe's sense of humor. Even if I did scream in revulsion when I read the first paragraph.

Seeing him actually do it was even worse than reading about it!

Re: It's A Dirty Job, And I Love It

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Post by dbooher »

swombat wrote: post #15
dbooher wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm glad you enjoy your job. I share your sentiments as well, but I think what the parent was talking about, is that some kids are thrown "Follow your dreams" so much that they are paralyzed by it. You and I are lucky to have found our passion now, but what were you doing before you found your passion? Some kids don't know their passion yet, and hence can't stand to work any job; doing anything, even sticking with a…

I see what you're saying, and I agree. That's why I say you should follow both passions and opportunities. Certainly if all the good opportunities aren't stuff that you're that passionate about, you should follow the opportunities - while looking out for more appropriate opportunities. I did, however, get the impression, from the article, that it implied you should forget about passion and just do what everyone else…

yeah, totally. While it's nice to hear someone sing a different tune for once, i also got the impression that somehow "passion == wrong". really, we should be giving kids a flowchart --> passionate about something? (yes) go for it (no) be willing to do anything opportunity turns up, and keep your ears open for when passion calls. Loop every so often until you end up with a "yes".

It was by total fluke that I got into programming at all, but if I had been a "dream waiter" bum who did nothing all my life, I wouldn't have had the resources or maturity to follow that dream when it did turn up.

Re: It's A Dirty Job, And I Love It

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Post by umjames »

jimbokun wrote: post #7

"I've been thinking about the first time I castrated a lamb with my teeth." Suddenly, my job satisfaction sitting here programming just went up a notch.

The most uncomfortable part of that sentence is "the first time". Apparently, this is routinely called for.

Re: It's A Dirty Job, And I Love It

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Post by LogicHoleFlaw »

umjames wrote: post #18
jimbokun wrote: post #7

"I've been thinking about the first time I castrated a lamb with my teeth." Suddenly, my job satisfaction sitting here programming just went up a notch.

The most uncomfortable part of that sentence is "the first time". Apparently, this is routinely called for.

A friend of mine grew up on a farm in Idaho. Apparently, the upside of birthing a cow is that "at least you've got somewhere warm to stick your hands."

Re: It's A Dirty Job, And I Love It

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Post by umjames »

LogicHoleFlaw wrote: post #19
umjames wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The most uncomfortable part of that sentence is "the first time". Apparently, this is routinely called for.

A friend of mine grew up on a farm in Idaho. Apparently, the upside of birthing a cow is that "at least you've got somewhere warm to stick your hands."

Hopefully, there's somewhere warmer to boil your hands afterwards. Do they at least wear latex surgical gloves?
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