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Telegram has launched a pretty intense campaign to malign Signal as insecure

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Re: Telegram has launched a pretty intense campaign to malign Signal as insecure

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Post by ceejayoz »

5e92cb50239222b wrote: post #372
ceejayoz wrote: post #367

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> vk.com and telegram have nothing in common, except the founder. This is a deeply funny sentence. "Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"

You conveniently forgot about the second part of that comment. Durov was forced out of the country and had to cell vk.com for peanuts because of his refusal to cooperate with the government. He is still pissed off at the country at large (not just the government) and refused to add the Russian translation for years, for example, despite it having absolutely nothing to do with Putin. Since he is Russian in origin, it'…

> Durov was forced out of the country and had to cell vk.com for peanuts because of his refusal to cooperate with the government.

It wouldn't be the first time a cover story was ever used.

> Well, maybe Signal has hired an NSA agent and doesn't know about it either? How does that sound?

You should presume they're trying. I, frankly, presume they've succeeded, either in placing an agent or by compromising something, in virtually every prominent messaging platform.

Re: Telegram has launched a pretty intense campaign to malign Signal as insecure

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Post by MattJ100 »

cookiengineer wrote: post #220
rglullis wrote: post #148

Go on, keep defending the overlord you believe have your best interests at heart while the other 57 of us go worry-free, using Matrix or XMPP.

You will eventually revise your opinion once you find your chat logs 20 years later in some randomly occuring IRC logs because that one guy was using an IRC bridge. You cannot critique missing guaranteed end to end encryption when effectively matrix cannot guarantee it either.

Yes it can. End-to-end encryption is enforced by your app, not by the protocol you use. This is a key part of how end-to-end encryption works.

Re: Telegram has launched a pretty intense campaign to malign Signal as insecure

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Post by 5e92cb50239222b »

axegon_ wrote: post #298

Let me set a few things straight: Telegram is for the most part tiktok for people that don't mind putting some effort into reading on a few odd occasions. Saying that I have a lot of Ukrainian friends would be an understatement and the are the only reason I have telegram-all of them favor it, which, all things considered, is a grave mistake. In practice, telegram is far more closely related to tiktok and twitter than…

And that's good, that's their strength. I use it to read information from all sides of the conflict and decide for myself what's "disinformation" and what's not. A grown person doesn't need a gatekeeper that pushes their own interests and shuts up anyone daring to contradict them.

Re: Telegram has launched a pretty intense campaign to malign Signal as insecure

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Post by rakoo »

fidotron wrote: post #255
rakoo wrote: post #231

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What revelations ?

That the chair of the board believes truth is an inconvenience that stands in the way of getting things done, among other things. Edit to add: The fact my post got flagged and not merely downvoted is because it hits the nerve way too strongly.

Do you have some sources ?

Re: Telegram has launched a pretty intense campaign to malign Signal as insecure

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Post by joemazerino »

ceejayoz wrote: post #366
robertlagrant wrote: post #262

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How does that show he wants to use Telegram in a "psy-op"?

Signal was the last place she worked. https://christopherrufo.com/p/signals-katherine-maher-proble...

Still not seeing any connection here. Seems like a reach to attack Rufo.

Re: Telegram has launched a pretty intense campaign to malign Signal as insecure

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Post by rakoo »

vetinari wrote: post #292
rakoo wrote: post #244

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Going from "AES is safe" to "Any protocol that uses AES is safe" is the kind of leap that will ban you from any cryptography work

GP was talking encryption, not protocol. Randomly changing topics will get you banned from any crypto work too.

Because saying "AES" is enough to talk about encryption ? Nothing else is involved ? Because if we're going in this direction everyone should just use XORs for encrypting and everything would be fine, and the rest would be implementation details.

Re: Telegram has launched a pretty intense campaign to malign Signal as insecure

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Post by YPPH »

kornhole wrote: post #325

This post does not explain how Telegram is campaigning to malign Signal. On the other hand, the CEO of Signal recently posted this: https://mastodon.world/@Mer__edith/112413358315296528

They can't be compared because Signal's criticism of Telegram is legitimate and warranted, Telegram's criticism of Signal isn't. Telegram isn't even an encrypted messenger.

Re: Telegram has launched a pretty intense campaign to malign Signal as insecure

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Post by notachatbot1234 »

stufffer wrote: post #374
FabHK wrote: post #99

> An alarming number of important people I’ve spoken to remarked that their “private” Signal messages had been exploited against them in US courts or media. Any sources for this except the private testimony of a Signal competitor talking about his important friends? (ETA: Or is it when the court/media obtains your unlocked phone, in which case Telegram won't protect you either...)

https://discuss.techlore.tech/t/tucker-claims-nsa-had-access...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/06/07/tucker-ca...

Re: Telegram has launched a pretty intense campaign to malign Signal as insecure

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Post by fidotron »

rakoo wrote: post #384
fidotron wrote: post #255

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That the chair of the board believes truth is an inconvenience that stands in the way of getting things done, among other things. Edit to add: The fact my post got flagged and not merely downvoted is because it hits the nerve way too strongly.

Do you have some sources ?

The internet is pretty good.

Re: Telegram has launched a pretty intense campaign to malign Signal as insecure

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Post by cuu508 »

hmmm-i-wonder wrote: post #293
izacus wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've started getting a lot of spam scam messages on Signal as well lately. What's going on with these platforms?

Personally I've never received a scam or spam message on Signal.

I am in a Signal group which has an invite link discoverable on public internet (it's a local OpenStreetMap group). From time to time, a bot joins and proceeds to spam the group's members one-on-one.
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