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Re: It’s an age of marvels

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The letters you're referring to were written in 1753 and 1755, and has he got older, his views on race softened to the point that he was an outright abolitionist by the end of his life. In 1763 he wrote the following in a letter:

This is chiefly to acquaint you, that I have visited the Negro School here in Company with the Revd. Mr. Sturgeon and some others; and had the Children thoroughly examin’d. They appear’d all to have made considerable Progress in Reading for the Time they had respectively been in the School, and most of them answer’d readily and well the Questions of the Catechism; they behav’d very orderly, showd a proper Respect and ready Obedience to the Mistress, and seem’d very attentive to, and a good deal affected by, a serious Exhortation with which Mr. Sturgeon concluded our Visit. I was on the whole much pleas’d, and from what I then saw, have conceiv’d a higher Opinion of the natural Capacities of the black Race, than I had ever before entertained. Their Apprehension seems as quick, their Memory as strong, and their Docility in every Respect equal to that of white Children.1 You will wonder perhaps that I should ever doubt it, and I will not undertake to justify all my Prejudices, nor to account for them. ---

I'm not sure that really that excuses being so racist that he thought _Germans_ weren't sufficiently white for america in his 50s, but he did change his views over time.

Re: It’s an age of marvels

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More than anything else, I think the modern American super market would blow the minds of anyone born before 1900 more than any other marvel that exists.

You have blueberries for sale in January??? A variety box of tea from 7 different countries? A wall of spices? Pineapples? Packaging made from aluminum that is just thrown away? The bread isn't full of sand and grit? And it's sliced!!!

All relatively affordable and accessible to the average person.

Re: It’s an age of marvels

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I am just glad to see I am not the only one making up imaginary scenario where I bring people from the past to have them marvel at our world.

I do this with music, and measure how good a song is by what fraction f of the words I would need to change for me to send it n years back in time to be understood by an older audience. I have a small community (n=1 or 4?) where I write this up: https://lemmy.ml/c/howtimeless

Which one would require the most explaining, according to you?

Re: It’s an age of marvels

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You probably would've been 10x as racist as Franklin had you grown up in his era.

Who WASN'T racist back then? Except it wasn't called being racist, it was just the norm for everyone back then, it was the societal default. You can meet some old people today who still have very wrong views about minorities and immigrants, let alone people who lived in the 1700's.

A lot of the world had hospitality rules and treated outsiders kindly. Lots of people were allowed to come and go as they pleased they actually provide interesting reads. Borders as we understand them today were invented in the 18/1900s. Mass slavery spanning multiple continents and racism on that magnitude hasn't happened since and hopefully won't happen again (except maybe Rome & Egypt but that wasn't trans continental)

Re: It’s an age of marvels

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More than anything else, I think the modern American super market would blow the minds of anyone born before 1900 more than any other marvel that exists. You have blueberries for sale in January??? A variety box of tea from 7 different countries? A wall of spices? Pineapples? Packaging made from aluminum that is just thrown away? The bread isn't full of sand and grit? And it's sliced!!! All relatively affordable and…

>I think the modern American super market would blow the minds of anyone born before 1900 more than any other marvel that exists

Mate, the 7-Eleven Big Gulp, the Walmart 5-gallon bucket of Snickers and the giant Costco bulk bag of peanut butter M&Ms blows my present day European mind, let alone someone from 1900.

Re: It’s an age of marvels

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who WASN'T racist back then? Except it wasn't called being racist, it was just the norm for everyone back then, it was the societal default. You can meet some old people today who still have very wrong views about minorities and immigrants, let alone people who lived in the 1700's.

That's my point, if you're going to be remotely fair when judging people from a radically different society you have to "grade them on a curve" so to speak. Otherwise, according to the prevailing modern social mores, not a single decent person existed prior to the 1960s or so

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Re: It’s an age of marvels

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More than anything else, I think the modern American super market would blow the minds of anyone born before 1900 more than any other marvel that exists. You have blueberries for sale in January??? A variety box of tea from 7 different countries? A wall of spices? Pineapples? Packaging made from aluminum that is just thrown away? The bread isn't full of sand and grit? And it's sliced!!! All relatively affordable and…

It really is amazing, that's why we really need to appreciate and protect what we have. The incredible abundance we currently have is not the norm. It was not even 100 years ago that people were starving in the US during the great depression.

Think about this every time someone promotes extremist violent rhetoric.

Re: It’s an age of marvels

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who WASN'T racist back then? Except it wasn't called being racist, it was just the norm for everyone back then, it was the societal default. You can meet some old people today who still have very wrong views about minorities and immigrants, let alone people who lived in the 1700's.

That's my point, if you're going to be remotely fair when judging people from a radically different society you have to "grade them on a curve" so to speak. Otherwise, according to the prevailing modern social mores, not a single decent person existed prior to the 1960s or so

That's ahistorical. I'd say Martin Luther King seemed like a fairly decent fellow. Also Rosa Parks, Medgar Evers, Harry Belafonte, J Waties Waring, Andrew Goodman and so on.
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