Telegram has launched a pretty intense campaign to malign Signal as insecure

Post by EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK » Mon, May 13, 2024, 12:13 PM UTC

Quiark wrote: post #83

TacticalCoder wrote: post #66

I don't know about Telegram being nasty towards Signal but Signal brought this upon themselves. Metadata are more important than the content of the messages and yet Signal has always been about knowing your phone number, with handwaving when the subject is mentioned. Sessions, a Signal fork, had its tagline right: "Share encrypted messages, not metadata" . Signal is a metadata exchanging app and it's about collecting…

Not sure if metadata is more important but ok. Signal has launched support to use nicknames instead of phone numbers although it's true this took a long time. I think Telegram is very wide-spread for running large group chats and communities, a use case that Signal is not interested in. Personally, I want my chats end to end encrypted and I'm grateful to Signal for pioneering this and inspiring Whatsapp, facebook mes…

Post by gitfan86 » Mon, May 13, 2024, 12:14 PM UTC

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #164

So since Signal has a board member who worked at a place that some people don't like then the Signal app must be backdoored/compromised/honeypot? That's one hell of a leap. How far has our requirement for evidence fallen?

Post by londons_explore » Mon, May 13, 2024, 12:15 PM UTC

nicoco wrote: post #130

gkbrk wrote: post #74

You can download Telegram and many forked clients from F-Droid. All the builds are from source code, so you know the source code is up-to-date. Any distro can have Telegram clients, both official and third-party, in their repository. Compared to this 1. You cannot download Signal from F-Droid. You need to download it from the Google Play Store. The released source code has lagged behind the version on the Google Play…

> 2. Signal has sent legal threats to repositories that package Signal. The repos either need to confuse users by offering the client under other package names or remove it. Not that I really want to defend Signal (XMPP FTW!), but the legal threats were about using the Signal name, not making an unofficial client per se. I know a bit about it because I develop an alternative signal client (a signal-XMPP gateway to be…

Post by lukan » Mon, May 13, 2024, 12:15 PM UTC

vetinari wrote: post #168

lukan wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"including confidential messaging with their agents on the foreign territory" Possible, as many ridiculous things happened around the whole war. (Recently german generals on a video chat were targeted by the russians, wasn't too hard, they did not use any encyption at all) Sources would be nice though. But it really would not be a reason for me to trust telegrams security. Rather a confirmation again, that also secre…

> Recently german generals on a video chat were targeted by the russians, wasn't too hard, they did not use any encyption at all They used Webex. Doesn't Webex use any encryption at all?

Post by kome » Mon, May 13, 2024, 12:15 PM UTC

cryptoboy2283 wrote: post #173

So, who has actually launched "a pretty intense" campaign here? https://twitter.com/matthew_d_green/status/17883860908411619... https://twitter.com/evacide/status/1788040276331884593 https://twitter.com/naomibrockwell/status/178863495226900939... https://twitter.com/paulmillr/status/1788563576455610552 (I'm pretty sure the list goes on)