Telegram is full of scammers. Something something bricks and a glass house.
I've started getting a lot of spam scam messages on Signal as well lately. What's going on with these platforms?
Telegram has launched a pretty intense campaign to malign Signal as insecure
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Re: Telegram has launched a pretty intense campaign to malign Signal as insecure
#52Telegram has always felt like the catch-up of the messenger apps. I don't know a single person who uses it.
I don't get this. I'm in the EU and nearly everybody I know has Telegram.
Telegram has a huge advantage versus WhatsApp: it's not Meta. Then the Telegram UI is really excellent.
When you tell people all your friends and family are using it and that's it's not from Facebook, they usually install it on the spot. Then they're hooked.
Re: Telegram has launched a pretty intense campaign to malign Signal as insecure
#53So the entire argument for "Telegram isn’t a secure messenger, full stop." is that E2EE is opt-in? If that's all there is to it, then the opinion is rather weak. edit: maybe post a comment in addition to pressing the downbutton. I'm curious what's so problematic about what I've said.
It's not just opt-in, it's a non-default option you have to actively seek out and enable with every new conversation you start. So yes, by default, without additional steps taken, telegram is not e2e encrypted.
Re: Telegram has launched a pretty intense campaign to malign Signal as insecure
#54Telegram has always felt like the catch-up of the messenger apps. I don't know a single person who uses it.
For Russian language content it feels a lot like pre-enshittification internet. You get blogs on all possible topics without ads or "Algorithm". Just read what you subscribed to, in whatever order you want.
I would never trust in with any confidential information though.
Re: Telegram has launched a pretty intense campaign to malign Signal as insecure
#55Life will be much more boring if we cannot find humour even in the most boring things.
So, it's good that the personal involvement of the illustrious Elon turns even obvious political influence operations into a circus with talking horses and scary clowns.
It's good :)
Re: Telegram has launched a pretty intense campaign to malign Signal as insecure
#56For more context, here are some of the references related to this thread:
> Pavel Durov, the CEO of Telegram, has recently been making a big conspiracy push to promote Telegram as more secure than Signal..
Jack Dorsey's Tweet: https://twitter.com/jack/status/1787895769183268948
Re: Telegram has launched a pretty intense campaign to malign Signal as insecure
#57https://nitter.poast.org/matthew_d_green/status/178968789886...
Signal has reproducible builds for android now? Why not f-droid then, too?
Signal's definition of "reproducible" meant for quite a while "download this binary docker image and build Signal inside of it". I don't know if that has changed since.
Signal rejects F-Droid for a different reason, though: They only want to distribute through channels where they get download statistics and control update rollouts.
Re: Telegram has launched a pretty intense campaign to malign Signal as insecure
#58This is a response to the following post from Telegram creator Durov
Re: Telegram has launched a pretty intense campaign to malign Signal as insecure
#59There seems to be a concerted effort to discredit Matthew's claims. Even here on HN. I find this suspicious. The Signal protocol has been heavily audited by many different people from many different countries. It's usually found to be sound. The telegram protocol has been found to have issues that are, if not malicious, amateur level mistakes.
Once again, this is not my opinion. This is the result of independent auditors who have no affiliation with either the USA or Russia.
There are positives to the UI of Telegram, there are negatives to the UI of Signal. None of these has much to do with the underlying protocol of either.
Personally I'd rather we all put our collective efforts into something like the protocol suggested by Matrix, but if only given the choice of Telegram or Signal, I'd avoid Telegram like the plague. They are either malicious or amateur. Either one isn't a good choice for security.
Re: Telegram has launched a pretty intense campaign to malign Signal as insecure
#60Given the location of Telegram's servers (Dubai), and the nature of the government (neutral dictatorship) and the lack of encryption, my default assumption would be that not only are they selling access to your data to major governments, they've probably even streamlined the bidding process.
Both Russians and Ukrainians use Telegram, including confidential messaging with their agents on the foreign territory. So that's a prove enough for me, that it's safe enough.
"including confidential messaging with their agents on the foreign territory"
Possible, as many ridiculous things happened around the whole war. (Recently german generals on a video chat were targeted by the russians, wasn't too hard, they did not use any encyption at all)
Sources would be nice though.
But it really would not be a reason for me to trust telegrams security.
Rather a confirmation again, that also secret services can show great incompetence.