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Telegram has launched a pretty intense campaign to malign Signal as insecure

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Re: Telegram has launched a pretty intense campaign to malign Signal as insecure

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post #28

Given the location of Telegram's servers (Dubai), and the nature of the government (neutral dictatorship) and the lack of encryption, my default assumption would be that not only are they selling access to your data to major governments, they've probably even streamlined the bidding process.

Yep. The magic of "you could turn on encryption" is that nearly all people using it won't.

"Ah, but if you need encryption then you'll..." - well, two things now. Suddenly you're the person who has encryption switched on. And also more likely, someone they talk to will forget to switch it on and just blab everything into cleartext anyway.

The entire importance of Signal's model is that it is always encrypted. It's why LetsEncrypt is also important: to have effective security you need to be able to hide in the crowd. If encryption usage is rare, then who's using it itself (or suddenly starts using it) becomes an extremely valuable datapoint.

(so I'd add: Telegram absolutely sell timeline details of which user accounts change their frequency of encrypted chat usage).

Re: Telegram has launched a pretty intense campaign to malign Signal as insecure

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FSB vs CIA? You can check this thread where his claims are debunked https://discuss.privacyguides.net/t/according-to-elon-musk-s...

and who runs privacyguides.net ? the FSB or CIA?

Well... if you scrolled up a bit you would have found https://discuss.privacyguides.net/t/according-to-elon-musk-s... which says Signal isn't great either.

Re: Telegram has launched a pretty intense campaign to malign Signal as insecure

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post #28

Given the location of Telegram's servers (Dubai), and the nature of the government (neutral dictatorship) and the lack of encryption, my default assumption would be that not only are they selling access to your data to major governments, they've probably even streamlined the bidding process.

Both Russians and Ukrainians use Telegram, including confidential messaging with their agents on the foreign territory. So that's a prove enough for me, that it's safe enough.

Re: Telegram has launched a pretty intense campaign to malign Signal as insecure

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post #38

So the entire argument for "Telegram isn’t a secure messenger, full stop." is that E2EE is opt-in? If that's all there is to it, then the opinion is rather weak. edit: maybe post a comment in addition to pressing the downbutton. I'm curious what's so problematic about what I've said.

Defaults are important because (very) many people don't change them.

Re: Telegram has launched a pretty intense campaign to malign Signal as insecure

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post #25

It’s a Telegram psyop that uses emotion, particularly fear and paranoia, to switch to their shite platform.

It’s also part of Christopher Rufo’s campaign to oust NPR’s new CEO. https://www.bugeyedandshameless.com/p/chris-rufo-katherine-m...

Is it possible to link to primary or neutral secondary sources, rather than hatchet-jobs?

Re: Telegram has launched a pretty intense campaign to malign Signal as insecure

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s also part of Christopher Rufo’s campaign to oust NPR’s new CEO. https://www.bugeyedandshameless.com/p/chris-rufo-katherine-m...

Is it possible to link to primary or neutral secondary sources, rather than hatchet-jobs?

That’s what the underlined bits throughout are, including to Rufo’s own tweets.

But here, primary: https://christopherrufo.com/p/the-zen-koans-of-npr

> This week, I have been engaged in a campaign to expose NPR’s new CEO, Katherine Maher, and her anti-speech, anti-truth philosophy.

Re: Telegram has launched a pretty intense campaign to malign Signal as insecure

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post #9

https://nitter.poast.org/matthew_d_green/status/178968789886...

A nitter instance that still works? What is this sorcery?

Lack of widespread use most likely. Maybe some people put Nitter on their personal user account and it works until it has too many users.
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